Moose camp stolen.

[kasilofchrisn]

OK, I will call Heather, do you have a number?

Maybe you should actually read the posts in this thread before commenting!
It's pretty obvious your not even following your own thread.
I'm trying real hard here not to be like you and insult people, but, you're making it very difficult!
READ POST #174!

 

[johnnycake]

Maybe you should actually read the posts in this thread before commenting!
It's pretty obvious your not even following your own thread.
I'm trying real hard here not to be like you and insult people, but, you're making it very difficult!
READ POST #174!

Perhaps if you write it out phonetically that might help him?

 

[mark knapp]

Just for the record this isn't specifically targeting Mark.
I put this out there for everyone who might be researching or looking to do a cache here in Alaska on state lands.
The state doesn't allow it. Nor do they want your stuff left out there.
The law is what it is.
So please before you're cache gets you in trouble or somebody removes your stuff(remember it's legal for anyone to remove an unpermitted cache) think twice and don't do it!

Kasilof, You are mixing words. To say "The state doesn't want you to have caches out there" and "It's against the law" are two different things. If you describe a cache as "A pile of trashy stuff you found in the woods" or a "Cache of hunting equipment including camp stoves and portable ladder stands" those are different things. If she said, "The best thing you can do is take it to the dump" that is not saying it is illegal and, she's probably just talking about trash....Common sense

I seems to me, If the people that took our stuff were concerned with cleaning up the country, they would have cleaned up the whole site instead of leaving it trashier than they found it and only taking the valuable stuff.

If you find stuff in the woods that you put in the dump, I'd say you were cleaning up the woods, if you take only good stuff and it ends up in your hunting camp, you are nothing but a stinking, cowardess, lowly, punk-a$$ thief.

 

[johnnycake]

Kasilof, You are mixing words. To say "The state does want you to have caches out there" and "It's against the law" are two different things. If you describe a cache as "A pile of trashy stuff you found in the woods" or a "Cache of hunting equipment including camp stoves and portable ladder stands" those are different things. If she said, "The best thing you can do is take it to the dump" that is not saying it is illegal.

I seems to me, If the people that took our stuff were concerned with cleaning up the country, they would have cleaned up the whole site instead of leaving it trashier than they found it and only taking the valuable stuff.

If you find stuff in the woods that you put in the dump, I'd say you were cleaning up the woods, if you take only good stuff and it ends up in your hunting camp, you are nothing but a stinking, cowardess, lowly, punk-a$$ thief.

There are no words to adequately describe your lack of reading comprehension on that post.

 

[mark knapp]

Just got this email.

Chris,

Thanks for your call today regarding the storage of personal items/gear cache on State lands. I have attached our Generally Allowed Uses factsheet, which details the regulations of 11 AAC 96.020, including the fact that anything left on state lands for more than 14 days needs an authorization.

You mentioned your friend having a cache on State lands near Fairbanks for a long time, which is illegal and would be in trespass if located. I have attached an application for an Over-The-Counter Storage Permit, which can authorize up to a 10x10 footprint for storage purposes. I also cc’d the Northern Region Office in Fairbanks, who can process that application if it is within their region, as well as answering Fairbanks-specific questions. Let us know if you have any further questions or concerns.



Warmly,

Heather Thomas

Natural Resource Specialist 2

Land Permitting Unit

Southcentral Regional Office

907-269-8568

Now, this is very helpful. I haven't seen this before. you were on my ignore list because most of the time you talk on here with sarcasm, vulgarity, and snarkiness. Those things are the very least helpful on a web site IMO.

This lady seems like an expert. I will call her, I will also go to the northern office. I will also call the trooper I originally talked too and tell him what I learned. Thank you.

As long as you and I can talk like this, we can talk. When people go back to neanderthal ways, It's back to the ignore list. You kind of have to decide if you want to be like Johnycake and boykins or be helpful. Those guys are not helpful.

All, MPO

 

[mark knapp]

Well, looks like I was wrong about being wrong, but I’d like to still apologize for being so snippy and sarcastic in my replies. That was unkind and unhelpful of me. Hopefully you find the research that Kasilofchris, myself, and others, have done to be enlightening. Now we all know right?

draugr, You have to stick with a thought for a little while. you apologized at 10:43 I accepted it at 12:16 and you took it back at 1:18. before I even had a chance to read anything that came in after your first apology. Sheesh, I don't spend my whole day on this computer, I have things to do. Then I asked you what kasilof said that was helpful and you pulled a Johnycake with a bunch of snark. Why not just tell me what he said? or give me the post number?

As a matter of fact, his one post was very helpful and I am going to follow through on Monday. Give me some time. Don't jump to so many conclusions and don't be so fast on the BS trigger.

ALL of this, is of course, IMPO

 

[Chez]

Maybe the first thing you should do Monday morning (or today!) is contact your health care provider, you are all over the place with your comments

 

[kasilofchrisn]

Kasilof, You are mixing words. To say "The state doesn't want you to have caches out there" and "It's against the law" are two different things. If you describe a cache as "A pile of trashy stuff you found in the woods" or a "Cache of hunting equipment including camp stoves and portable ladder stands" those are different things. If she said, "The best thing you can do is take it to the dump" that is not saying it is illegal and, she's probably just talking about trash....Common sense

I seems to me, If the people that took our stuff were concerned with cleaning up the country, they would have cleaned up the whole site instead of leaving it trashier than they found it and only taking the valuable stuff.

If you find stuff in the woods that you put in the dump, I'd say you were cleaning up the woods, if you take only good stuff and it ends up in your hunting camp, you are nothing but a stinking, cowardess, lowly, punk-a$$ thief.

Mark I actually described to her a cache as you have described here.
One with hunting/camping gear in it.
Her words were " if you find such a cache the best thing you can do is pick it up and take it to the dump"!
She's basically telling me that your cache belongs in the dump and not on state land!
There's no confusion on my end.

 

[kasilofchrisn]

Now, this is very helpful. I haven't seen this before. you were on my ignore list because most of the time you talk on here with sarcasm, vulgarity, and snarkiness. Those things are the very least helpful on a web site IMO.

This lady seems like an expert. I will call her, I will also go to the northern office. I will also call the trooper I originally talked too and tell him what I learned. Thank you.

As long as you and I can talk like this, we can talk. When people go back to neanderthal ways, It's back to the ignore list. You kind of have to decide if you want to be like Johnycake and boykins or be helpful. Those guys are not helpful.

All, MPO

We can't have intelligent conversation with you here Mark when you resort to name calling and insults to people most of whom certainly don't deserve it!
In those situations you make it very difficult to talk to you like an adult.
I never resort to name calling as I feel that's one of the lowest things you can do on a forum. And I guarantee you'll not find examples where I've done so on this forum.
And I don't go twisting your words or doing any of those kinds of things either. Whenever I've quoted you, it's been your own words as you've written them.
If you had truly had me on ignore. I wouldn't have been able to read your posts So I don't know where you're coming from on that one?
It's too bad You won't take me. Johnnycake up on that bet though!
I hope your man enough to come here back here to apologize and admit you were wrong!

 

[mark knapp]

Maybe the first thing you should do Monday morning (or today!) is contact your health care provider, you are all over the place with your comments

Maybe you should, I have to be all over the place to answer all these questions that are all over the place.

 

[mark knapp]

Mark I actually described to her a cache as you have described here.
One with hunting/camping gear in it.
Her words were " if you find such a cache the best thing you can do is pick it up and take it to the dump"!
She's basically telling me that your cache belongs in the dump and not on state land!
There's no confusion on my end.

Thank you for doing that, I will talk to her, Monday. Thanks for clarifying. People on here have been calling our cache trash from day one on this thread. You know, she's just another person with an opinion. I will try to get her and the rest together so they can give people the same answer. It may be that Heather has an incorrect location, She says, near Fairbanks, we are not near Fairbanks by my definition. Location is key. We'll get to the bottom of this.

 

[kasilofchrisn]

I will talk to here, Monday, we will have a talk, thanks for clarifying. People on here have been calling our cache trash from day one on this thread. You know, she's just another person with an opinion. I will try to get her and the rest together so they can give people the same answer.

No Mark she's not just another person with an opinion.
She is a Natural Resource Specialist 2 with the Land Permitting Unit of the Southcentral Regional Office of the state of Alaska Department Of Natural Resources!
She has the power to approve or deny your "over the counter storage permit" required for your cache to be legal.
Keep that in mind as you talk to her.
The state of Alaska views your cache as trash.
Why should we view it any different?
If you had taken it home with you as your supposed to this thread wouldn't exist and you'd still have all of your stuff.
The basic premis is you cannot just leave your "STUFF" anywhere you please.
It really doesn't matter how picked up or clean it appears or what that "STUFF" is
You don't own the land. You don't have the proper permit for your cache.
You can't claim your piece of public ground just by leaving your stuff there!
I'll be processing and canning carrots on Monday.
But I'll pay attention to this thread waiting for you to apologize and admit you were wrong.
We will see if you're man enough to do it or if you'll try to divert things again.
Meanwhile I'll be processing the 50# of apples I picked today!

 

[johnnycake]

No Mark she's not just another person with an opinion.
She is a Natural Resource Specialist 2 with the Land Permitting Unit of the Southcentral Regional Office of the state of Alaska Department Of Natural Resources!
She has the power to approve or deny your "over the counter storage permit" required for your cache to be legal.
Keep that in mind as you talk to her.
The state of Alaska views your cache as trash.
Why should we view it any different?
If you had taken it home with you as your supposed to this thread wouldn't exist and you'd still have all of your stuff.
The basic premis is you cannot just leave your "STUFF" anywhere you please.
It really doesn't matter how picked up or clean it appears or what that "STUFF" is
You don't own the land. You don't have the proper permit for your cache.
You can't claim your piece of public ground just by leaving your stuff there!
I'll be processing and canning carrots on Monday.
But I'll pay attention to this thread waiting for you to apologize and admit you were wrong.
We will see if you're man enough to do it or if you'll try to divert things again.
Meanwhile I'll be processing the 50# of apples I picked today!

Don't hold your breath

 

[mark knapp]

We can't have intelligent conversation with you here Mark when you resort to name calling and insults to people most of whom certainly don't deserve it!

I have called some people names, as you have. When I have told the same person over and over that I am on General State Land and he tell me that my cache is illegal because on BLM land other federal lands that it's not legal to..." That guy is a dummy. When a guy says," I know what I think he said..." that is a stupid thing to say. By the way, I have always tried to talk to you like we were both more that 5 years old and you have come back with insults, foul language and sarcasm. And you spin things around like you are now. Give me a break.

In those situations you make it very difficult to talk to you like an adult.
I never resort to name calling as I feel that's one of the lowest things you can do on a forum. And I guarantee you'll not find examples where I've done so on this forum.

You gatta be kidding me, I've been calling you out on it for years.

And I don't go twisting your words or doing any of those kinds of things either. Whenever I've quoted you, it's been your own words as you've written them.
If you had truly had me on ignore. I wouldn't have been able to read your posts So I don't know where you're coming from on that one?

Sorry, It's when you put me on ignore that you can't see my words, not when I put you on ignore. I know, I can't see lots of peoples words when I put them on ignore. But, I can see mine. Try it. Maybe this is one of those cases where you are mistaken.

It's too bad You won't take me. Johnnycake up on that bet though!
I hope your man enough to come here back here to apologize and admit you were wrong!

Sorry, I didn't see a bet, you and johnnycake have been on ignore. What bet?
I Have admitted times I have been wrong. I don't see where you have admitted being wrong ever. When I provide documenting my positions on stuff and you ignore them. Why?

You guys have advocated the taking of peoples property. Who is going to decide what cash is legal and not legal. Sounds like just a good excuse for people to take stuff. It seems very wrong when people are advocating the stealing of peoples private property. Maybe we'll get answers Monday.

 

[mark knapp]

Mark I actually described to her a cache as you have described here.
One with hunting/camping gear in it.
Her words were " if you find such a cache the best thing you can do is pick it up and take it to the dump"!
She's basically telling me that your cache belongs in the dump and not on state land!
There's no confusion on my end.

There seems to be some confusion on where the cache is. We'll see.

 

[mark knapp]

Perhaps if you write it out phonetically that might help him?

You are just a waste of time and band width on this site. At least you are a perfect example to kasilof of the kind of talk I was explaining earlier. It couldn't be clearer.

 

[kasilofchrisn]

You are just a waste of time and band width on this site. At least you are a perfect example to kasilof of the kind of talk I was explaining earlier. It couldn't be clearer.

Others most likely think they same of you Mark.
Especially when you're calling them names such as dummy, stupid, big mouth, jerk, etc. like you've done multiple times in this thread.
Nobody is calling you any names.
Get over yourself buddy!

 

[johnnycake]

You are just a waste of time and band width on this site. At least you are a perfect example to kasilof of the kind of talk I was explaining earlier. It couldn't be clearer.

Your reading comprehension problems are on full display throughout this thread. And you're the first person casting aspersions and insults here. Don't be surprised when that backfires on you.

 

[squiggy]

SMH

 

[Patsfan54]

Your reading comprehension problems are on full display throughout this thread. And you're the first person casting aspersions and insults here. Don't be surprised when that backfires on you.

I think he has multiple people that he disagrees with blocked and so he has no idea what the conversation is at this point since he's missing large parts of the information that has been supplied to him to help him understand what the law says.