Unbeleivable

[Back Country Robb]

My friend told me about an article he had read recently and I didn't beleive him so I looked it up on the 'net and sadly; he was telling the truth.

The most unethical drivel and pathetic pandering to anti-hunting groups is the idea of "Catch & Release" hunting. The ideals that this protrays goes against everything that hunting stands for. For those that are wondering what I'm talking about;

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/03/14/SPG915KBMQ1.DTL&type=printable

The author is actually a proponant of not only making this a sport but televising it. I think it would be a sad day if it were ever to come about. This would be a stepping stone to taking out our right to arms, ammo and take away our ability to fill our freezers with God's bounty. And foremost, above all else, the detrimental effect that an animal and it's geneology could suffer from being repeatedly drugged from the darts.

I hope that when you finish reading the article that you take the time to e-mail the author and let him know just off base he really is.

 

[racinghoss]

Yeah right. That has very little chance, minute even, of getting going. I am sure that a wildlife biologist is available to partner with every hunter, too (sarcasm). What a quack. Heaven forbid that it does take off though.

 

[fullkurl]

dart/drug hunting

dart/drug hunting

This sad concept was posted on a few months ago, Robb. You are right, this is twisted and beyond any ethical consideration. Your geneology point makes good sense too. Drugging and redrugging of any creature for pleasure is just plain warped.

Thanks for revisiting this topic.

fk

 

[akfangler]

I don't like this guy's idea much either, but the idea of nonlethal hunting is not new. Believe it or not, I knew two guys in Oregon (hunters both) who on occasion would play "Elk tag." Seriously, these guys would go out to the coast, find some animals, put a stalk on them, and try to smack them on the rump. I only went once, but they'd do this once or twice a year. They said it way a good way to scope out animals, improve stalking skills, etc, but we were also in our early 20s, and it was mostly for thrills. The time I went, we got dang close to some elk in heavy brush, but no way to do a run at one, or sneak closer without discovery. I only know of one actual tag, when some elk were in a field outside Nestucca. The female he slapped actually ran away instead of chasing him down. And I know that once they tried to tag a bull in rut, but it stood them down at twenty yards and they chickened out (as I would have).
I'm sure they got the idea from somewhere else, so it must be a wide-spread (if very uncommon) practice.

 

[Back Country Robb]

Wow

Wow

Those guys have a hairy brass set. Maybe I'm just chicken (or have an IQ slightly higher than a turnip) but you would never catch me making a game out of butt 'smackin an ungulate that is 4-5 times my size.

Exercise some self-preservation for crying out loud. Even that act alone is unethical. I'm sure it easily falls into the "molestation of game" law. Besides, you would think that there would be more interesting bottoms to pat that would yield better results than potential injury or death.

 

[bushrat]

Unbelievable? Hunters support C&R hunting

Unbelievable? Hunters support C&R hunting

I don't know how many of you read the actual article Robb posted, but this isn't about Worldhunt specifically (the new group wanting to televise C&R hunts on game ranches in the states), rather it's about C&R hunting in general, though very poorly written and researched at that.

Safari Club International has not only condoned, but has advocated for C&R hunting of rhinos in Africa, as well as other wildlife that is too endangered to actually kill. Dart-hunting is touted as ultimately about "conservation." And by and large, SCI members support it, according to SCI. So who really brought the idea of C&R hunting about? Hunters. Can't afford to kill a rhino? (Yeah, they still allow it) Well then, you can pay less and dart one, have your picture taken with your trophy, and SCI will even recognize it in their record book! It's now known as "green hunting" or "eco-hunting." Phooey, they should call it "ego-hunting" <grin>.

Hunters are often their own worst enemy. I sincerely believe that if we don't divest ourselves of some of the absolute BS going on within our own ranks, we are in deep doo doo. I know, I know...united we stand...yada yada yada, but we have to draw a line somewhere in the sand and say ENOUGH! When SCI decided to record darted rhino trophies for its members, it wasn't any surprise to me that others (like the guys at Worldhunt) thought this wave of "green" hunting would catch on and become popular. What really kills me is that "wildlife conservation" is being pushed in the form of C&R dart hunting. Hunters should have never made the mistake of going down that sordid path...what hypocrisy and what poor judgment. Darting an animal over and over is somehow conserving the species? Contributing to biological science? Look at what great conservationists us hunters are---we now don't choose to kill the animals we hunt!

We only have to blame ourselves, and that's the sad part. As you can tell, I get heated about this subject of C&R hunting and SCI's involvement in it. As hunters, we need to seriously rethink our position on C&R hunting
Selah,
Mark (ps, below is just one example of hundreds of articles one can find on the internet about "green" hunting.)

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060924/SPORTS05/609240333/1002/SPORTS
[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Nance opted to use the "green hunt" method for the white rhino during the South Africa leg of the trip. In green hunting the animal is not killed but instead it is temporarily downed by a special gun using tranquilizer darts.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Some call it Eco-hunting, and more big-game hunters are using it especially in areas where some animal populations have become limited due to poaching.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]What's more, SCI gives credit for an animal taken with the green hunt method, and while the hunter doesn't get a mounted head for a trophy room, a taxidermist can make a replica mount. In the case of the rhino, the horn is measured and an exact replica made.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]A greater element of danger exists for the green hunter because shots must be taken at a much closer range to ensure that the dart hits the animal and starts the disabling process. In an animal as large as a rhino it takes seven to 10 minutes, and during that time an animal the size of a rhino can be threatening.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"I really didn't care to kill a rhino and the green hunt thing sounded interesting," said Nance who was raised in the small cotton-farming town of Collinsville, Ala. where hunting was a way of life. "So, I said let's give it a try."[/FONT]

 

[AKBighorn]

Ok, so say they make it legal to dart some animals. What does that mean? Are we going to have to take a Dr. with us so we can have the drugs? Better yet, they will start selling the darts with drugs in them right next to the ammo in our stores. What will happen then? Do you honestly think that would be a good idea. I mean after all what else may people do with those darts. THINK about that for a while. There are enough problems with guns in the wrong hands in the world, now lets give those people some darts! I would say its not in anyones best interest if that is what it would come to!

 

[fullkurl]

Unity?

Unity?

Hunters are often their own worst enemy. I sincerely believe that if we don't divest ourselves of some of the absolute BS going on within our own ranks, we are in deep doo doo. I know, I know...united we stand...yada yada yada, but we have to draw a line somewhere in the sand and say ENOUGH!

Good post, Mark.
As hunters we need to make it clear that some things arent negotiable. Some of us had actually wondered/inquired about the possiblity of a forum petition to ban this concept.
Division in the ranks? So be it!
SCI is on my crap list right now, thats for sure. What an ethical faux pas. I emailed them and told them I think these practices (darting--record book entries etc.) are deplorable.

Here's their ethical code:

Our Hunters' Code of Ethics
Recognizing my responsibilities to wildlife, habitat and future generations, I pledge:
To conduct myself in the field so as to make a positive contribution to wildlife and ecosystems.
To improve my skills as a woodsman and marksman to ensure humane harvesting of wildlife.
To comply with all game laws, in the spirit of Fair Chase, and to influence companions accordingly.
To accept my responsibility to provide all possible assistance to game law enforcement officers.
To waste no opportunity to teach young people the full meaning of this code of ethics.
To reflect in word and behavior only credit upon the fraternity of sportsmen, and to demonstrate abiding respect for game, habitat and property where I am privileged to hunt.

Hmmm that last one seems laughable when considering this concept.

Perhaps a boycott of CABELAS (which has close ties with SCI) might prompt some action against C&R hunting. Thoughts?
Heres an SCI link to voice your opinion: http://www.safariclub.org/emailer/index.cfm?action=emails&emailID=7&refurl=

Frank

 

[Back Country Robb]

Kudos!

Kudos!

KUDOS TO FULLKURL!

It's outstanding when some action can be taken and a proactive approach can be introduced to otherwise unknowing sportsman to facilitate an audible voice. I agree 100% that division among sportsman is what's necessary to weed out the unethical nature of our fellow outdoorsman that condone C&R hunting and to curb the hypocritical actions by SCI. Thanks to you, sir, your last post to provide an avenue to stop the progression of C&R Hunting is a great way that we can all stick together to preserve and police each other on ethical hunting. To capitalize on each other's vigilance on this issue is to succeed in preserving what is right. My hat is off to you, Frank.

 

[Back Country Robb]

From Another Thread Posted by Bigmnt

From Another Thread Posted by Bigmnt

Video Proof of how disturbing the whole C&R hunting concept really is. Thanks for the post Bigmnt.

Bigmnt:

Canned hunting and Game farming
Found this site on another forum. This is a video about the problems around game farming, canned hunts and the danger to state wildlife againcies.


http://real-hunters.com/full.swf

 

[profishguide]

Dropped faster than a hot potato!!!

Dropped faster than a hot potato!!!

This has been in all the hunting mags, all the major sponsers of this event have pulled out after taking a beating and will not be televised.

 

[AK DUCKMAN]

Wait tranquilizers sign me up I'll run around in a bear outfit and you can dart me