Tundra Dummies

[profishguide]

Give me a break, just go pull the dumb things out. I'd do it myself if someone payed for fuel and a trailer for my rig. We can all sit around and laugh, but why waste good trucks? Yeah they made a mistake, but who hasn't? Someone with a good winch and a set of big tires ought to be able to extract them with little hassel.

Great plan except for a few small exceptions: a) It is illegal to drive off the maintained roadway. b) It is against the law to drive on the tundra. c) It is against the law to drive off the maintained roadway onto the tundra. In other words, don't add to the problem by getting more vehicles stuck.
You would need to walk in with a chainsaw winch, danforth anchor, rope, a dozen 2'x2' 3/4" plywood pieces, some 2"x10"s, hyd. jacks, shovels, and a sled to drag it all in with (Do not Drive anything out on the tundra w/o a permit from the DNR)
The other option is to airlift them out, which I think would cause the least amount of damage to the tundra and the most amount of damage to their wallet

 

[Paul H]

Any group of guys, military or otherwise, who have walked 5 miles over the wet, spongy tundra,and THEN still been dumb enough to try and drive their trucks on the stuff ARE idiots and morons and it is completely in line for others to say so.

Exactly! And when getting one truck stuck isn't good enough, they have to bury their other one as well???

As to them being military, I don't see how that has any bearing on their stupidity or actions. There are plenty of stupid civilians, both out of state, in state, urban and rural.

 

[Alaskacajun]

I will stick with what I do best....."humor me son". I think this will officially end the truck war. Poor ole Dodge didn't get too far now did he!

If they woulda been drivin' a Chevy they never woulda' got caught in the first place....

- Clint

 

[AkHunter45]

Exactly!!

Exactly!!

They would have broke down lonnnngggggggg before they got to the Yukon River bridge!!

 

[TILT]

I am cofused about the protect your own thing.
Fish19 is basically saying if they had done this at night and got away with it,it would be okay if even if he had seen them do it.Protect your own right?It is not okay to break a law and say that.
My 13 yr old son would turn me in for less.I taught him better then that.
It was dumb and wrong what happened.I hope you pay alot in taxes because they will never be able to pay it off.
I was also thinking they are here to protect us to.I hope not from themselves.
I hope that we all learn a bit from this and try to keep hunting safe and going.Our kids will like that.

 

[Pupchow]

No wonder they got stuck

No wonder they got stuck

Ohh the things that people do...it's all about brake throttle modulation

 

[Water_Gremlin]

I would not be surprised if alcohol was involved. Seriously, who in there right mind would attempt something like that unless they were inebriated?

 

[fullkurl]

Lets let this thread die...

Lets let this thread die...

the death it deserves.

 

[ABC]

Erik, thanks for the chuckle. It's a needless impairment of natural resources. The people in this party were straight up thoughtless and foolish. They got what they deserved.
Having said that, I want to thank those that have posted hold up comments pertaining to the "esteemed military" reference. For every one slipshod GI there are dozens of fine upstanding citizens that have been raised up being taught how to hunt with the proper consideration for the environment, fellow hunters and wildlife. And since they have the backbone and selflessness to put it on the line for the very ideal of freedom, to include giving people the right to openly post criticisms about any subject, often themselves, my point of view is that they have earned the entitlement to fish in any stream or ocean, and hunt in any area within the borders of this country that have been deemed fit by Fish & Game for consumption. Sorry for the soapbox, but be careful with the generalities, thank you.

 

[ABC]

"Fish19,
Sorry but you're wrong, I earned the right to criticize my own and I shall exercise that right as I see fit. Some day when you get a couple more stripes and the mistakes of your subordinates become your mistakes, you'll begin to understand. Unfortunately, our fellow GI's have an all too rich history underestimating the difficulty of hunting in Alaska, and going out and getting in trouble out in the boonies."
I'm sorry but YOU are wrong, any good leader knows that this is poor form.

 

[Fishing KLUNKA]

One Word

One Word

Let me sum this up in one word....."JAILHOUSE!"

 

[sayak]

Stupid people abound

Stupid people abound

There are stupid people in every profession and walk of life. The military has no corner on them, though perhaps the hubris associated with being a warrior might make some feel more invincible than the average guy.

What they did was stupid and illegal. I am quite sure they have learned the lesson and will never forget it. I myself have done some really stupid things and have had people bail me out. I bet many of you have as well. For instance, it's easy to point your finger and laugh at the guy who drives his 4-wheeler out on the tide flats at Deep Creek and gets stuck with an incoming tide. It is harder to lay aside your own pride and superiority and go try to help the poor schmuck get unstuck.

When you read accounts of hunting and fishing around this state over the past century or so, you will read many accounts of reckless stupidity. It has always been around. Many of the gold stampeders were reckless. Every year you read stories of boaters, flyers, and snow machiners who are equally reckless. Some die.

I'm rambling...

My point is, we need to show a little compassion. I know if I did such a thing to the family vehicle, my wife would be pissed at me for years. If I was rich I would hire a big helicopter to pluck those trucks out of the tundra.

 

[bowhuntr]

HUD

HUD

Erik

Thanks for the e-mail. I will be up the haul road this weekend hoping to score a boo. All I can say about this whole ordeal is a quote from Forest Gumpp "Stupid is as Stupid does!!" Not all military people are dumb---es.
We as hunters need to follow the law and do what is ethical to protect our hunting rights. Hopefully this does not lead to more restrictions and take away our hunting priviledges.

 

[fisherman19]

Probably should not reply but oh well

Probably should not reply but oh well

TILT

You obviously did not get what I was trying to say. So let me clear it up for you. We In the military are held accoutable for our actions. More so then in the civilan world because we face both penelties civil and military. I said that these guys made a bad judgement call. They will be held responsible for the actions they took. As for other military members retired and active to openly ridicual them for what they have done, in a public setting, be it a discussion fourum or just down town is bad form. I am sure that these guys are gonna get enough c&!P at work form there buddies and everyone else they work with but that is were it should stay so every one including the parties invovled can have a laugh and get on with what ever it is they do. When you openly critize a a person and catagorize them as a military person a cop a fire fighter, people begin to geralize all memebrs in with that 1 or 4 people. That is exactly what happened here.

I was only trynig to convey a point to Erik That I thought the statements he was making as a retired member were in bad taste to a group of men which five or ten years ago could have been his friends co-workers or bosses.


With that said I hope this thread fades away now I am sick of reading it. but it is like a car reck I can not stop looking.

Anybody want to go duck hunting?

 

[Blink]

I should stay out of this but I cant. I understand both sides on the military issue. Personnally I could care less what the forrest gumps do. They screwed up and hopefully they are accepting it like men.

Now, since the whole military thing has been brought up, I'm not saying the military screws up more than civilians but its what they do, because of there job they make headlines. For 9 years in the Marine Corps, I was always told that we were held to a higher expectations than the civilians. Is this different in the airforce? Is the airforce so easy that they dont expect there folks to stand up beyond us lowly pukes? I hope they get nailed from all sides on this. I feel for there families, I really do. gotta get the message out to everybody who hunts in this great state, you break the law, you gotta pay. Dont care what you do for a living.

I know I shouldnt have said anything, and it would be nice if folks kept an open mind. I know that aint gonna happen though.

Joel

 

[ucohokie]

Food for Thought

Food for Thought

I've noticed that whenever a someone screws up in the public eye on a hunting issue, one of the first questions asked or identified is what group said person belongs too. As if that some how explains the behavior... oh military guys you say, aw that makes sense, bunch self righteous, gung ho types think they know better, that will learn 'em. Or... subsistence hunter broke this or that regulation...native, you say, well that makes sense, self righteous bunch they are, think the rules don't apply to them, that will learn 'em. You hear about that idiot that illegally shot that moose...out of state...figures, comes here with his money, taking our game, that will learn 'em.

Every group of people whether defined by profession, race, home state, etc has there idiots. Pick any group of people, and anyone whose lived more than a quarter century can probably tell you a "I met that groups' village idiot" story. When you allow however that story or experience to define that group of people for you...it's not funny, cute, clever or even original...it's prejudice.

This story had a lot to teach all of us and some of you tried (I have no idea what the RUG is but I'll be sure to know that rule and all the others if I ever venture up to hunt he haul road). Instead it just degraded into group name calling... which is ironic because no one can post a negative comment about [insert any guide/service/transporter name here] even though that potentially would have far more value to those of us who hunt here.

Just my two cents. I'll put my soapbox away now.

 

[sellisrulzz]

These guys are in deep doo doo (as they should be) from the State, the BLM and probably the military.

Hey Erik, just curious, what article of the UCMJ covers Tundra driving?

 

[Alaska Gray]

This thred deserves to die.

 

[fullkurl]

The thread that wont die.

The thread that wont die.

Jut when one thinks and rejoices that this thread is dead and lifeless--a twitch, and then a quiver....

EGOR-----"ITS ALIVE!!!"




UG.

 

[AlaskaCub]

Alaska is not kind to idiots, military and civilian alike.