bottom_dweller
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This was my dog. What is going to happen if the next time it’s a toddler? People travel to where I was all the time to see it. All walks of life.
Trap marking
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You mean bird and game and tracking dogs aren’t on leashes for training or hunting or tracking? (Yes I am being sarcastic).
A buddy of mine who does lots of trapping is very careful about where he sets his lines. He was frustrated one day talking with me about other people setting traps right next to main trails and in areas people hiked with dogs (on trails). He also hates how people set traps and don’t check on them. His feeling is that there are many lazy and unethical people trapping. He does not consider them ‘real trappers’ but rather a-holes setting traps. Inconsiderate people ruin it for everyone imho.
Oh Boy here we go. Now the traps are going to kill some kid. How about do a little google search and post all the kids hurt in traps. I am aware of one incident in North Carolina maybe 5-10 years ago....
On the other hand look up kids injured by dogs. Here's a little something for starters:
Dog bite injuries present a significant public health problem. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, approximately 4.5 million people are bitten by dogs each year. Because of their size and immaturity, children are much more likely to be bitten than adults.
Children aged 5 through 9 years are at greatest risk of dog bites. The face and scalp are consistently reported as the most frequent location of injury, and younger children are more likely to have severe injuries.
AKBEE lets hear about all the lazy and unethical dog owners while we're making broad brush insults.
On the other hand look up kids injured by dogs. Here's a little something for starters:
Dog bite injuries present a significant public health problem. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, approximately 4.5 million people are bitten by dogs each year. Because of their size and immaturity, children are much more likely to be bitten than adults.
Children aged 5 through 9 years are at greatest risk of dog bites. The face and scalp are consistently reported as the most frequent location of injury, and younger children are more likely to have severe injuries.
AKBEE lets hear about all the lazy and unethical dog owners while we're making broad brush insults.
My last statement referred to inconsiderate people. The topic was trapping. I wasn’t insulting with a broad brush- just inconsiderate people. There are many crappy dog owners.
That is what my very experienced trapper buddy said, and I would say that there are many lazy and unethical people fishing, hunting, camping, off-roading, as well as most things. It only takes a few bad people or incidents to create a bad perception of things as a whole.
I say if you let your dogs off the lease then YOU are responsible for them getting into a trap and YOU should pay for any damages the dog causes to the trap.
Trappers are out to make a living, NOT hurt pets, they do their best to reach that goal every season without any conflicts
Trappers are out to make a living, NOT hurt pets, they do their best to reach that goal every season without any conflicts
urbanhillbilly
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Sorry, but this is bogus.
If I’m out in the woods with my dog, he’s not gonna be on a leash unless I see a reason to. The idea that there “might” be traps out there (because this is Alaska after all) isn’t even an argument.
urbanhillbilly
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If I’m near a trail and see postings of traps in the area, totally fine with me. I’ll leash up the dog. If I see no reason to do it, I won’t.
I never mentioned anything about this being in Alaska, don't know where you got that??
Your choice to let your dog off the leash is fine, BUT don't go whining when he gets messed up in a trap because it is YOUR choice to let him run free
kwackkillncrew
Well-known member
Wow. Congrats on being super ignorant. If I said what I really wanted to I would probably get banned. And I'd say the same thing if it was in person.
Say whatever you want but your dog is your responsibility
mark knapp
Well-known member
I understand what you are saying, and I believe you are correct on many of your statements. The problem is, you are stating your' opinions as facts. They are from your experiences and I know you believe them to be true. Your anecdotal references are just a very small sample size in a great big state with a whole lot of users.
Other people have different experiences and opinions.
I appreciate your perspective, you are entitled to it, and I wish it worked all the time the way you say it does.
urbanhillbilly
Active member
That’s all part of being a responsible pet owner. I understood the risks involved when I signed up for it.
Obviously there’s gonna be a difference between the highly populated hillside trails here in Anchorage where I’m at and whatever area anyone else who reads this thinks of.
Basically my pov comes from what is relevant to me. So let’s say the Anchorage Hillside trails. Highly populated, heavily used, every once in a while a pet gets caught in a trap. I say if you’re going to set in an area like that there should definitely be some postings. If there are and a pet still gets stuck in one then yes, definitely the pet owner’s responsibility
urbanhillbilly
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I can’t roll my eyes enough at this comment…
mark knapp
Well-known member
These are facts.
There is a road adoption sign on the road near where the ATA meets. We clean two miles of the road, near that sign, every year. Sometimes, on Fairbanks Clean-up Day, after we clean the road somebody dumps a bunch of garbage at the base of that sign to send us a message.
The Alaska Trappers Association named a road near there "Trappers Way" and a road sign sits on the corner post there. More than a couple of times that sign has been stolen. It was then replaced by us.
I have a trapper friend that has tried putting trapline signs at the head of his trapline, on his way in, where it leaves a main trail. On the way out, on the same day, those signs were gone. I have many trapper friends that have had signs and traps flung.
I've sat on the ATA board for years, ran the trapper store for years, and sold laminated signs provided by the trappers association to the same trappers over and over again.
Here some other observations.
Every road sign that is just a few miles outside of city centers is riddled with bullet holes.
The roof and furniture at the borough rifle range in Fairbanks is riddled with bullet holes.
With the two bases and the university in Fairbanks and those in Anchorage, there is an influx of new people with different ideas than we have. They all recreate in one way or another, a lot of the time, it includes exploring Alaska's wild places with a snow machine, a dog team, skijoring or dog walking etc.
Some people have a total disregard for everything else.
Many of them don't honor a trapline, marked or not. Sometimes a marked trapline is a bigger target than an unmarked one. Many people have a goal of following every trail they can find. Many don't think a trapper has the right to keep others off his trails. Some steal traps. Some fling signs and traps. Some pee on traps and some make it their business to sabotage every trap, and trapline they can find
I found several web sites in just a second on the internet that advocated stealing traps and taught people how to do it. This is just one.
Most people are sickened by the existence of the barbaric Steel Trap, which causes untold, horrific suffering to animals, both wild and domestic.
Unfortunately, many kind people who find a trap that is “set”(jaws open), often with bait, but luckily no animal in it-just walk on.
If you come across an empty trap, DO NOT LEAVE IT. MAKE SURE YOU SET THE TRAP OFF BY USING A STURDY WALKING DEVICE, OR ANYTHING HEAVY THAT YOU CAN DROP DIRECTLY ON THE ROUNDED METAL “Bait Plate” BELOW THE OPEN JAWS. Never put your fingers or hands in the trap. Once the trap jaws are open, pick the trap up with your hiking pole or stick (must be sturdy) & TAKE IT. Do not put it close to your body–some people carry a STRONG Canvas Bag along, which can often hold more than one trap! The more traps that are “adopted” by caring people, the better–thousands of innocent animals will thank you.
It is not something I am imagining or made up, it's a real thing.
What works in one area, may not work, and probably won't work state wide.
BD I think if you are concerned for people and pets in your area, it is up to the people in your area to come up with a system that works for you, and try to implement it in your area. That's why I suggested you contact the trapper that sets in your area. Trappers generally do not enjoy catching other peoples dogs. We are, most, of us dog lovers too. We are not uncaring dog haters.
There is a road adoption sign on the road near where the ATA meets. We clean two miles of the road, near that sign, every year. Sometimes, on Fairbanks Clean-up Day, after we clean the road somebody dumps a bunch of garbage at the base of that sign to send us a message.
The Alaska Trappers Association named a road near there "Trappers Way" and a road sign sits on the corner post there. More than a couple of times that sign has been stolen. It was then replaced by us.
I have a trapper friend that has tried putting trapline signs at the head of his trapline, on his way in, where it leaves a main trail. On the way out, on the same day, those signs were gone. I have many trapper friends that have had signs and traps flung.
I've sat on the ATA board for years, ran the trapper store for years, and sold laminated signs provided by the trappers association to the same trappers over and over again.
Here some other observations.
Every road sign that is just a few miles outside of city centers is riddled with bullet holes.
The roof and furniture at the borough rifle range in Fairbanks is riddled with bullet holes.
With the two bases and the university in Fairbanks and those in Anchorage, there is an influx of new people with different ideas than we have. They all recreate in one way or another, a lot of the time, it includes exploring Alaska's wild places with a snow machine, a dog team, skijoring or dog walking etc.
Some people have a total disregard for everything else.
Many of them don't honor a trapline, marked or not. Sometimes a marked trapline is a bigger target than an unmarked one. Many people have a goal of following every trail they can find. Many don't think a trapper has the right to keep others off his trails. Some steal traps. Some fling signs and traps. Some pee on traps and some make it their business to sabotage every trap, and trapline they can find
I found several web sites in just a second on the internet that advocated stealing traps and taught people how to do it. This is just one.
Never Leave a Steel Trap If You Find One - Steal Traps
Most people are sickened by the existence of the barbaric Steel Trap, which causes untold, horrific suffering to animals, both wild and domestic.Unfortunately, many kind people who find a trap that is “set”(jaws open), often with bait, but luckily no … Continue reading →
stealtraps.com
Most people are sickened by the existence of the barbaric Steel Trap, which causes untold, horrific suffering to animals, both wild and domestic.
Unfortunately, many kind people who find a trap that is “set”(jaws open), often with bait, but luckily no animal in it-just walk on.
If you come across an empty trap, DO NOT LEAVE IT. MAKE SURE YOU SET THE TRAP OFF BY USING A STURDY WALKING DEVICE, OR ANYTHING HEAVY THAT YOU CAN DROP DIRECTLY ON THE ROUNDED METAL “Bait Plate” BELOW THE OPEN JAWS. Never put your fingers or hands in the trap. Once the trap jaws are open, pick the trap up with your hiking pole or stick (must be sturdy) & TAKE IT. Do not put it close to your body–some people carry a STRONG Canvas Bag along, which can often hold more than one trap! The more traps that are “adopted” by caring people, the better–thousands of innocent animals will thank you.
It is not something I am imagining or made up, it's a real thing.
What works in one area, may not work, and probably won't work state wide.
BD I think if you are concerned for people and pets in your area, it is up to the people in your area to come up with a system that works for you, and try to implement it in your area. That's why I suggested you contact the trapper that sets in your area. Trappers generally do not enjoy catching other peoples dogs. We are, most, of us dog lovers too. We are not uncaring dog haters.
mark knapp
Well-known member
What would you say to a parent that let his/her toddler go where your dog went unsupervised? Please, lets not do that.
kwackkillncrew
Well-known member
Ok maybe 1% of the land up here has traps on it so I am a irresponsible dog owner of if I go out hunting into rhe woods with my dog and it gets into a trap because it wasnt on a leash. You got to be f kidding me. That's a garbage thought. Keep giving trappers a black eye, you're doing a great job bud.
bottom_dweller
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Mark I don’t know why you would think that I think you or most trappers hate dogs. When I have my mojo working, I don’t want to be slowed down by bycatch. I know they are nothing but a drag if/when it happens. But I do think you are out of touch when it comes to here in SE. That beach was 1 to 2 miles south of a public mooring bouy and trail up to a forest service cabin. As I stated earlier The Misty’s are straight up and down fjords. It was a welcoming beach for passersby’s like us. I had my dog within the same boundaries as I would have allowed a small child to be, on that nice grassy delta. People live and grow up here on the beach. When you say “local” trapper it just makes me chuckle. My wife and I are both commercial divers. The cucumber season is on a three year rotation. Lots of different areas all over SE. I’m never in the same “area” unless I was really impressed 3 years prior to that rotation. My area is SE.
bottom_dweller
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I understand the positions now. I respectfully think that you should mark your line and set. I am not worried about my dog. In 15 years of ‘dog on a beach’ this is our first encounter. I am not the one that is going to shut you down.
Good luck dog owners. If it was a coil spring like the ones Zeke got. Use your knee and pull on the ears like you are trying to break a branch on your knee. Just like there are clearly 2 sides here, some dog owners need to clean their act up as well so as to not give all dog owners a bad rap.
Good luck dog owners. If it was a coil spring like the ones Zeke got. Use your knee and pull on the ears like you are trying to break a branch on your knee. Just like there are clearly 2 sides here, some dog owners need to clean their act up as well so as to not give all dog owners a bad rap.
