Pebble commercial

[Russp17]

Am I the only one who hates the Pebble Parternship commercial where the girl walks to bristol bay and talks about how far away it is. SHe doesn't happen to talk about where the fish spawn.

 

[GrizzlyH]

Ya, I watched that commercial last nite and thought the same thing as you..........lol
Oh, I'm sure she wasn't following the river bed.
Good point, you get an A+

 

[68 Bronco]

Check out this opinion piece on that ad: http://community.adn.com/adn/node/155122

 

[GrizzlyH]

Check out this opinion piece on that ad: http://community.adn.com/adn/node/155122

Well, at least now I don't feel like one of the only 3 fools that didn't fall for the ad!

 

[fullbush]

pebble already has the green light. Theres so many out of staters here looking for work, if they held a vote tomorrow to log and pave this whole state, it would be a done deal, Alaskans don't have a voice

 

[Nitroman]

Ditto. Remember that copper is considered a strategic metal, the Obamination could very well declare it necessary for national security and presto. No one would have a choice.

 

[LuJon]

pebble already has the green light. Theres so many out of staters here looking for work, if they held a vote tomorrow to log and pave this whole state, it would be a done deal, Alaskans don't have a voice

I don't think I would get behind the paving of the entire state though I do know a few roads that could use it! The logging though sounds more reasonable with the right plan! That could add a lot of new moose habitat and access points!

 

[AKBoater]

I'm glad someone else saw that commercial. I couldn't believe how rediculous that thing was. The Pebble Partnership should be embarassed.

 

[fullbush]

I don't think I would get behind the paving of the entire state though I can know a few roads that could use it! The logging though sounds more reasonable with the right plan! That could add a lot of new moose habitat and access points!

that would cost you 4 points if i was a mod, WORD!

 

[EagleRiverDee]

The back and forth rhetoric between the anti-Pebble and the pro-Pebble people bug me. Both go to absolute extremes. Personally, the part that bugs me most is the way it's presented that we can either have this mine or we can have fish. Bullcrap. You can have both. A good example is Red Dog Mine in NW Alaska. Red Dog is an open pit mine much like what Pebble is proposed to be, and Red Dog has actually cleaned things up, not destroyed them. The natural leaching of zinc and lead from the ground into Red Dog creek made the creek poisonous and it had no fish prior to the mine's existence. After the mine got there, they began cleaning the water and later had to put in a fish weir to keep the new fish out of the mine area. To me, the answer is not one or the other but how to have the mine built and operated responsibly. I think the way to do that is much how they do it at Red Dog- have the neighboring communities act as watch-dogs and report any violations, plus have the State keep tabs on the mine. Perhaps even have a full time State office on site to keep tabs. It doesn't have to be one or the other. We can have both.

 

[Russp17]

Yeah even if you are for the mine you should be against that commerical. It makes no sense at all. It is just proganda.

 

[Bill S.]

My daughter and I saw it last night. My comment to heer was get a canoe and follow the streams and find out how far it is from the mine site to Bristol Bay. Takes a lot less time. and of course there's GrizzlyH's comment that is spot on.

Pebble does NOT already have a green light.

 

[jkb]

Well most anti pebble ads make it sound like the mine is litterally in Bristol bay. Some need a little prospective. Everyone called PWS the purest body of water on the planet before the oil spill. But there is an unreclaimed completely abandoned copper mine on the Copper river way closer to tide water than pebble is. Every restraunt in Seattle sells copper river reds as the best salmon of the year. What is less hardy about Bristol bay salmon, if one drop of ick from a copper mine gets into the water shed they are ruined?

 

[fullbush]

if one drop of ick from a copper mine gets into the water shed they are ruined?

They most certainly are ruined to answer your question.


The Kennicott mine isn't in the Copper river salmons spawning beds. Plus don't ever use copper river red salmon and mine waste in the same sentence! We'll shut down every mining operation w/in 2000 miles of Alaska if thats the case

 

[Bill S.]

Its also a gold mine and historically ar senic is used to leech gold out of rock formations. You cannot argue what would happen if ar senic got into the headwaters of Bristol Bay. Although ar senic levels are naturally higher in the ground water in that region, its not in the concentrations that may result from the mining operation. Its not "ick" that's a worry. (I had to seperate the word since this site automatically thought is was a bad word)

 

[Erik in AK]

Anyone else catch Rick Halford's Compass piece in the ADN last week?

Proportionately, Pebble is a massive sulfur deposit with some copper and gold in it. This mine will produce a nearly continuous flow of waste water contaminated with sulfuric acid and cyanide compounds. Remember the "earthen dam"? After a year in operation said dam will be retaining somewhere in the vicinity of a few million gallons of this waste, which will concentrate over time as surface water evaporates.

All this toxic waste will lay a mere 12 miles upstream of Lake Iliamna. Maybe Pebble will make history and be the first open-pit, heap leaching mine (ever) not to leach toxic waste into the ground water. Maybe.

I wonder if the pro-Pebble folks would be as supportive of, say, a halfway-house for sex offenders going in across the street from their kids' elementary school? I guess they might so long as the State and the managing company promised that, unlike all the other halfway-houses they've built and managed, this would be the one where none of the inmates ever went back to their old ways.

Promises don't unpoison the lake.

 

[Phish Finder]

Promises don't unpoison the lake.

This is one of the best statements on this subject that I've seen.

 

[Frostbitten]

Promises don't unpoison the lake.

Perhaps, but predictions and hysteria don't poison the lake in the first place.

 

[Phish Finder]

Perhaps, but predictions and hysteria don't poison the lake in the first place.

If my finger hurts every time I hit it with a hammer, it's pretty safe to predict that it will hurt the next time as well.

If there was a single mine comparable to Pebble that was successful at not poisoning the area around it, I wouldn't predict damage from Pebble. Most of the other reasonable folks that I know would also be more willing to support Pebble if any similar mine anywhere were to function as promised.

 

[Frostbitten]

If my finger hurts every time I hit it with a hammer, it's pretty safe to predict that it will hurt the next time as well.

If there was a single mine comparable to Pebble that was successful at not poisoning the area around it, I wouldn't predict damage from Pebble. Most of the other reasonable folks that I know would also be more willing to support Pebble if any similar mine anywhere were to function as promised.

...so does that mean you should never use a hammer again?