It could happen in Alaska

[dwhunter]

ILLINOIS SENATE EYES GUN BAN . . . The Illinois Senate could vote any time on legislation that would ban the purchase, possession and manufacturing of many semi-automatic firearms, individual parts from these firearms and magazines. Enactment of Senate Bill 16, pushed by Chicago's anti-gun Mayor Richard Daley and his allies in the legislature, would also create a registry of existing or grandfathered-in firearms owners who would have 90 days to comply with the registration process or face arrest and felony prosecution. Illinoisans are encouraged to contact their senators and urge them to oppose SB 16.

This has not been passed but it has a high likelihood of going through with the current political leadership in IL. This entire thing could set a very bad precedent.


Are you intouch with your political leaders?


Doug

 

[Marcus]

Who's in touch with whom?

Who's in touch with whom?

Are you in touch with your political leaders?

You gotta be kidding. . . surely the question is whether our political leaders are in touch with us. . .

 

[dwhunter]

I know what you mean Marcus,

The anti's anti gun groups etc are constantly vocal about their intentions and why, we as gun owners are the group always waiting until something happens for us to act. What I am saying is to continually remind the leaders of your feelings, intentions to vote etc, don't let it slip their minds.

Doug

 

[Louis]

That Mayor Daley has been on my list ever since he had Chicago's best general aviation airport, Meigs Field, bulldozed in the middle of the night in the name of "security". He really wanted to build a park there which, hopefully, would have his name on it. I'll probably never fly much outside of Alaska, but it still got my goat.

I'm not surprised at all that he'd be anti Second Ammendment as well. Folks in Ill. should get together a petition and get everyone who would refuse to go along with the proposed ruling to sign it....actually that might be a good idea for the country...

What Daley needs to do is save himself the trouble of creating his vision of utopia in Chicago and just move to Pyongyang....Louis

 

[mdhunter]

Bleeding Hearts, but no Brains

Bleeding Hearts, but no Brains

DWH,

We just went through the Assault Weapons ban hearings here in Maryland....210 free citizens showed up to oppose the legislation, and a total of TEN people showed up in support - 9 paid lobbyists, plus one girl whose Dad was an FBI agent and was killed by a so-called "assault weapon".

Want an example of the bullS**T that goes on in those hearings?

The antis said that "every 48 hours in Maryland, someone is injured in a crime that involves an assault weapon."

Pro-gun senator" "Can you cite your reference for that statistic?"

After SEVERAL requests for a citation, the antis finally reply "We've conducted our own research..."

OH, OK. WELL, I GUESS I'LL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT!!!!

Our side, on the other hand, spends hours citing studies by the Department of Justice, the FBI, and the CDC....

After ALL THAT - the Chairman of the Judicial Proceedings Committee (the Honorable but seemingly ignorant Brian Frosh) was asked on live news about the DC Circuit Court ruling that the DC gun ban was unconstitutional, and he had the nerve to say that "We all KNOW the 2nd amendment does not apply to individuals, and anyone who thinks civilians should own assault weapons is JUST NUTS."

Gotta make you proud to have elected officials like that. doesn't it???

Don't EVER lose your vigilance guys and gals - these fools are everywhere.

Michael

 

[riverboater]

:-(

:-(

That type of thing really steams me! Their statistics are bull. I just read in I think it was Field and Stream Mag. that the percentage of violent crimes involving guns has actually gone down in the past 10 years, while the number on semi-auto sales has increased dramatically.


I guess a good example of the Validity of "their" research is research done by company's trying to promote their product. In my opinion the only research that can even be considered is pure research by a third, non affiliated party.

 

[brav01]

Oh Yea !

Oh Yea !

In the intrest of argument, it can and will happen. Ten years ago everyone you know would have said the government wouldn't be allowed to tap your phone without a warrant( it's here today). Ten years ago the personal possession of a sum of money was legal(try it today,the police will have it). You have lost so many rights in past 10 years how long do you think in the interest of NATIONAL SECURITY and Patriotism the anti-gunners will have to wait. Look at 1022 that's today, and it includes ALL firearms which the Attorney General rules evil.

 

[reuben_j_cogburn]

Grass Roots

Grass Roots

Is there a grass roots progun movement in Alaska to keep people pumped up and organize petitions, marches, education campaigns, etc?
Can we get one started?
Let me know!
I agree that the politicians should be reaching out to us but since they don't it's gotta be up to us to get their attention....

reuben.....

 

[dwhunter]

Their are a few other topics going on in the forums right now that are in heated discussion and they also involve poilitics, you can read through them and I have not seen one post where someone said "Hey guys lets get involved in this crazy system and try to do something about this".

Unless people are willing to stand up for what they believe in like the anti hunters and anti gun groups they will continue to beat us at every step. These groups have the money, the passion and the motivation to fight for what they believe in, DO WE?

I will refer to my post above, how many people do not have the time to send a few email to your leaders offices once a month or so, if you can honestly say you don't cut back on one post to the forum every month and replace it with a letter to Juneau.


Doug

 

[dwhunter]

DWH,

We just went through the Assault Weapons ban hearings here in Maryland....210 free citizens showed up to oppose the legislation, and a total of TEN people showed up in support - 9 paid lobbyists, plus one girl whose Dad was an FBI agent and was killed by a so-called "assault weapon".

Want an example of the bullS**T that goes on in those hearings?

The antis said that "every 48 hours in Maryland, someone is injured in a crime that involves an assault weapon."

Pro-gun senator" "Can you cite your reference for that statistic?"

After SEVERAL requests for a citation, the antis finally reply "We've conducted our own research..."

OH, OK. WELL, I GUESS I'LL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT!!!!

Our side, on the other hand, spends hours citing studies by the Department of Justice, the FBI, and the CDC....

After ALL THAT - the Chairman of the Judicial Proceedings Committee (the Honorable but seemingly ignorant Brian Frosh) was asked on live news about the DC Circuit Court ruling that the DC gun ban was unconstitutional, and he had the nerve to say that "We all KNOW the 2nd amendment does not apply to individuals, and anyone who thinks civilians should own assault weapons is JUST NUTS."

Gotta make you proud to have elected officials like that. doesn't it???

Don't EVER lose your vigilance guys and gals - these fools are everywhere.

Michael

Michael,

MD looked to going in the right direction when Erlich was elected and he seems to be overall doing pretty good at changing some of the things the Dems had done over all their years of control?

You are absolutely right in that unless we as hunters/gun owners stand up for what we believe in we will continue to watch as these things are stripped away from us.

Unfortunately dealing with politics are a part of my everyday life, not pretty, pain in the *** and everything else you ever thought about politics. But you know what, if you have strong leg to stand on and you believe in what you are selling you can make a difference and get support for change.

Doug

 

[akndres]

[edit] Crime

See also: Organized crime in Chicago
A Chicago police officer


In addition to its gangland problems, Chicago historically saw a major rise in violent crime starting in the late 1960s. Nevertheless, like most major American cities, Chicago has experienced a decline in overall crime since the 1990s.[42] Murders in the city peaked first in 1974, with 970 murders when the city's population was over three million (resulting in a murder rate of around 29 per 100,000), and again in 1992, with 943 murders when the city had fewer than three million people, resulting in a murder rate of 34 per 100,000. Following 1992, the murder count slowly decreased to 705 by 1999; by this time, it had the most murders of any big city in the U.S.[43] After adopting crime-fighting techniques recommended by Los Angeles' and New York City Police Departments in 2004,[44] Chicago recorded 448 homicides, the lowest total since 1965. Nevertheless, this murder rate of 15.65 per 100,000 population is still above the U.S. average. Chicago's homicide tally increased slightly in 2005 and 2006 to 450 and 467, respectively, though the overall crime rate in 2006 continued the downward trend that has taken place since the early 1990s, with 2.5% fewer violent crimes and 2.4% fewer property crimes compared to 2005.[45]
Chicago has been among the first U.S. cities to build an integrated emergency response center to coordinate the city's response to terrorist attacks, gang violence, and natural disasters. Built in 1995, the center is integrated with over 2000 cameras, a direct link to the National Counterterrorism Center, and communications with all levels of city government. Recently installed anti-crime cameras have been introduced and are capable of pinpointing gunshot sounds, calculating where the shots were fired, and pointing and zooming the cameras in the direction of the shots within a two block radius. Early results show these new cameras to be highly effective in reducing crime.[46] Placed in residential areas, these cameras cause some Chicagoans to feel uneasy about being so closely watched. They have prompted some calls of discrimination since these cameras tend to be prevalent in Black and Latino communities with higher than average crime rates.
The FBI often does not accept crime statistics submitted by the Chicago Police Department, which tallies data differently than other cities. The police record all criminal sexual assaults as opposed to only rape as with other police departments. Aggravated battery is counted along with the standard category of aggravated assault. As a result, Chicago is often omitted from studies like Morgan Quitno's annual "Safest/Most Dangerous City" survey.[47]
Numbers of murders (homicides) in Chicago per year[16]

• 1990: 851
• 2000: 628
• 2001: 666
• 2002: 647
• 2003: 598
• 2004: 448
• 2005: 449
• 2006: 452

source: Wikipedia.org


Riverboater here is a stat for you. With all stats, you can find ones that are tailored to your specific agenda. So this stat is just as good as the oppositions.

With that said. Chicago has had ever decreasing murder rates, and it's overall crime rate is below the national average for crime per 100K people.
I can't see where the argument to remove semi-auto weapons to curb crime has a stance. To me IMO this is clearly agenda driven and not factually driven. JMO

 

[gogoalie]

Render unto Illinoisians...

Render unto Illinoisians...

what is Illinoisians...it's a far cry from AK to ILL...first of all, we don't have a multimillion metropolis like Chicago, dictating policy for the rest of the state (albeit Los Anchorage is considered that) Second, ILL is only doing this becuase of the huge population with in it's cities...

 

[brav01]

That's It

That's It

That could be our downfall as well. When a bill which affects the whole USA goes before the legislative branches AK. only has 2 votes in the Senate and 2 votes in the House who cares if they make AK mad, what are we going to do. Many smaller states have a lot more votes and are given a more significant presence and consideration. I promise if someone introduces a bill restricting hunting in National Parks PETA has a much larger voice than Alaska does. It's about money Chicago doesn't care if people choose up sides and start taking it to the streets. You think they're going to register all the guns in Ill. for FREE; NOPE. There will be a fee and that's what the state is after.

 

[aufevermike]

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ :d

 

[Rick P]

Everyone has pointed out the reasons I've been ridding eddicut ethics and terminology so hard in all my posts! The oposition is in the case of PETA Nuts and obsessed! And in the case of the feds working hard too eliminate the constitution, from the right in the name of incressed security, without making us truly safer by the way. And from the left in the intorest of taking care of us, not the feds job by the way we are soposed to take care of oursevs!

Einstien once said "insainity is repeating the same action and expectting a diferent result." As long as the public keeps electing tweedel dumb or tweedel dee our rights will continue to errode. Educate yourself and vote for the person you think will make the best leader! Not the Demmorcrat or Republican who sorta fits your beliefs. Remember these are folks who spend millions of dollars to land a job the people pay them 150 thousand dollars a year or less too do! Do you really think they will act fiscally responsible? Think they give a rip whats best for the people that pay them a paultry sum?

As far as "it could happen in Alaska" I think it will come to armed conflict before that but I've been wrong in the past, never thought this state would bow to national pressure and bann smoking in bars a perfectly legal product banned by a city goverment! "Ya I know it's your bar and you've got the right to do whatever you want in your own place as long as its leagel, but if ya decide to let people smoke were gonna fine ya and shut ya down." Said Anchorage's supossedly right wing city council.

Just this Alaskans opinion
Rick P

 

[brav01]

Follow the leader and shut up

Follow the leader and shut up

Remember these are folks who spend millions of dollars to land a job the people pay them 150 thousand dollars a year or less too do! Do you really think they will act fiscally responsible? Think they give a rip whats best for the people that pay them a paultry sum?

As far as "it could happen in Alaska" I think it will come to armed conflict before that but I've been wrong in the past, never thought this state would bow to national pressure and bann smoking in bars a perfectly legal product banned by a city goverment! "Ya I know it's your bar and you've got the right to do whatever you want in your own place as long as its leagel, but if ya decide to let people smoke were gonna fine ya and shut ya down." Said Anchorage's supossedly right wing city council.

Just this Alaskans opinion
Rick P[/quote]
I was once one of those responsible persons you speak of (a public servant, I drove around with a light bar on my car, I was elected). One day the federal government came to my town and besieged a small church and 51 days later burned it down with 88 people in it, shooting the ones who tried to leave, while I had to watch, HEARTBREAKING.
I figured the people would go nuts but little was said and no-one took criminal responsability for the deaths, it was just hushed up.SAD

 

[Rick P]

BravO1;
Fisrt thank you for your service! From what I have seen of your posts here I think I can say that you were/are one of the few true public servents, and I dont really meen put law enforcement people in a bad light by and large they are the good guys. To offten there hands are tyed by the folks at the top! I too have seen many abuses of power that I thaught for sure would start something but sadly, I gess the general public is more intorested in Britny Spears and how rehab is goin or who Parris Hilton happens to be banging this week than they are the loss of freedom. But then again when young Blacks dont even recognise quotes from Martin Luther King and our government gives the OK to sezing private property to incress the tax base what can I expect.

I'd like too think my son will grow up in a free society but there are times I have little hope for this country and it's people.

Just one saddened freedom loving Alaskans opinion
Rick P

PS Thouse abusses are why I dont buy new guns!!