THE_HUNTERIAM
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What is the favorites on this forum for that caliber? Thanks! :topjob:
Good large bear load for the .30/06?
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.338WM
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Ding, Ding ! Time for the next round :lol:.
THE_HUNTERIAM
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Too funny! 
FurFishGame
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180's for the M1 garand, 220's for the savage bolt action.....Handloaded with 56 grains of....somethin...I don;t remember what the number is. goin prettyyy fastttttt the 180's are factory, they are the biggest that feed in that old gun.
Amigo Will
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In truth its hard to beat this oldie
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=547799
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=547799
You piqued my interest. I didn't know anyone still loaded something that heavy. I looked around further and saw this:
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=458262
A 240 grain bullet specifically for the 30-06. Cool!
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Those heavies would be awesome for busting brush with iron sights, but if I had a scoped rifle I would want a lighter weight with it's flatter trajectory.
I like the 165gr-180gr range, but I know little compared to previous posters.
I like the 165gr-180gr range, but I know little compared to previous posters.
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swapdonkey
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I would use a 180 or a 210 Barnes TSX
Busting brush?
THE_HUNTERIAM
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Yeah this will be in a rifle sighted rifle, no scope. I do plan on having a long range heavier caliber thumper with a killer scope, but that is of a different subject
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busting or beating brush is hiking in thick cover where a scope would be unnecessary
Yeah this will be in a rifle sighted rifle, no scope. I do plan on having a long range heavier caliber thumper with a killer scope, but that is of a different subject
Sounds like heavies will be perfect for ya
THE_HUNTERIAM
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I will be starting out with the .30/06 first and when funds are available go heavy, but the 06 will be my walking gun.
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Sorry, by heavies I meant 200-240gr bullets in your 30/06. Not get a heavier gun. IMO that 30/06 is as heavy as you need, but some disagree.
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Cool 220's. I thot only Winchester still made them in loaded ammo. Thanks for the link.
FurFishGame
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The Core-lokt 220's is what we use, I was mistaken in my first post, The 220's are factory, the 180's are handloads.
Depending on what species of large bear you mean it could go different ways I shoot 180 NP's, my large Black bear only went 15 yards, but if it's a big ole brownie IDK. I think a well placed bullet with a rifle your comfortable with is better than a large caliber you can't shoot accurately with confidence.
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When in bear country i use Nosler partitions. Hunting, 180 grain. Fishing, 220 (i expect close quarters with a big bear).
I also use Nosler (er, combined technology) Fail safes. I have seen first hand what one did to a big elk. Nice chest shot (it was facing me) Center punched it in the chest. Penetrated the entire length of the elk, wiping out 9 inches of back bone too. Piled the elk up right now.
I just heard about Barnes MRX bullets. I guess they are designed for maximum penetration and weight retention. I personally don't like a bullet that retains 100% of the weight. I like John Noslers theory that getting some "bullet shrapnel" going on inside of a critter in random directions is a good way to make a humane quick kill. How ever, i bet a bullet like this would be ideal in 220 grains for big brown bear medicine.
I love today's bullet technology. Even if you dont own a magnum rifle, you can expect near magnum performace in knock down power from the venerable 30-06 so long as you have a decent bullet platform.
If i was you, i would read up on what the true mechanics of "stopping power" is. From my limited understanding there are 3 major componets to "stoping power" ---->please excuse this it may seem kind of graphic<------
1. The wound channel. The deeper and wider, the better. This is where an exit wound is great and cutting though vital organs work the best, as in the heart and lungs. Bullet weight retention is paramount to this, along with the "mushrooming" of the bullet. Most bullets will double in diamater aka the .30 of an inch hole just turned into a .60 hole.
2. Hydro shock. When the bullet enters the animal, it compresses soft tissue such as the muscle, lungs organs, ect. It also displaces the blood in said tissues. This blood, given enough pressure can cause other veins and arteries to fail causing a heart attack (i know moot point if you shoot it in the heart). It can also put enough pressure in the brain to kill an animal. You will note it in the "blood shot" meat. It looks like red jello.
3. Secondary projectiles. This is typicaly from the bullet itself (small pieces flying off) or from bones, such as a rib. These small pieces fly off in random directions causing unpredictable and substantial damage to soft tissue. They can also get into the blood stream and cause fatal damage. (As a side note, the Geneva conventions required "solid non flattening or expanding" projectiles to keep from agravating fatal wounds It is by that logic i would not use solid non expanding bullets... not even on elephants sorry Agl4now)
It is basically true that the heavier the bullet and the faster you fling it the better it will work (so long as the bullet dose'nt frag at the point of impact). How ever, from ballistics tests the 06 isn't that far behind the 300 win mag. The 300 win mag will kill an animal out at 400 yards and beyond better than the 30-06. That is so far out of my realistic range, i don't worry about it.
But if you cant shoot well enough to consistently hit a milk jug off hand at 100 yards after 10 jumping jacks, the above wont matter.
Sorry i have digressed about bullets for the '06. All the diehard magnum lovers, all the respect in the world. To avoid jacking this post, just start a new post "my top reasons why the ______ magnum beats the the 30-06" Ill see you there
I also use Nosler (er, combined technology) Fail safes. I have seen first hand what one did to a big elk. Nice chest shot (it was facing me) Center punched it in the chest. Penetrated the entire length of the elk, wiping out 9 inches of back bone too. Piled the elk up right now.
I just heard about Barnes MRX bullets. I guess they are designed for maximum penetration and weight retention. I personally don't like a bullet that retains 100% of the weight. I like John Noslers theory that getting some "bullet shrapnel" going on inside of a critter in random directions is a good way to make a humane quick kill. How ever, i bet a bullet like this would be ideal in 220 grains for big brown bear medicine.
I love today's bullet technology. Even if you dont own a magnum rifle, you can expect near magnum performace in knock down power from the venerable 30-06 so long as you have a decent bullet platform.
If i was you, i would read up on what the true mechanics of "stopping power" is. From my limited understanding there are 3 major componets to "stoping power" ---->please excuse this it may seem kind of graphic<------
1. The wound channel. The deeper and wider, the better. This is where an exit wound is great and cutting though vital organs work the best, as in the heart and lungs. Bullet weight retention is paramount to this, along with the "mushrooming" of the bullet. Most bullets will double in diamater aka the .30 of an inch hole just turned into a .60 hole.
2. Hydro shock. When the bullet enters the animal, it compresses soft tissue such as the muscle, lungs organs, ect. It also displaces the blood in said tissues. This blood, given enough pressure can cause other veins and arteries to fail causing a heart attack (i know moot point if you shoot it in the heart). It can also put enough pressure in the brain to kill an animal. You will note it in the "blood shot" meat. It looks like red jello.
3. Secondary projectiles. This is typicaly from the bullet itself (small pieces flying off) or from bones, such as a rib. These small pieces fly off in random directions causing unpredictable and substantial damage to soft tissue. They can also get into the blood stream and cause fatal damage. (As a side note, the Geneva conventions required "solid non flattening or expanding" projectiles to keep from agravating fatal wounds It is by that logic i would not use solid non expanding bullets... not even on elephants sorry Agl4now)
It is basically true that the heavier the bullet and the faster you fling it the better it will work (so long as the bullet dose'nt frag at the point of impact). How ever, from ballistics tests the 06 isn't that far behind the 300 win mag. The 300 win mag will kill an animal out at 400 yards and beyond better than the 30-06. That is so far out of my realistic range, i don't worry about it.
But if you cant shoot well enough to consistently hit a milk jug off hand at 100 yards after 10 jumping jacks, the above wont matter.
Sorry i have digressed about bullets for the '06. All the diehard magnum lovers, all the respect in the world. To avoid jacking this post, just start a new post "my top reasons why the ______ magnum beats the the 30-06" Ill see you there
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FurFishGame
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Thats what happens when you hit 2 ribs with a "cheap" 32 special bullet, it penetrated, but then pretty much exploded in side the lungs, and only a little piece of the bottom end exited, we found shrapnel from the bullet for 9 inches around the bullet hole in the lungs, it only ran about 40 yards:topjob:
where as dad, the year before, decided to try premium bullets outta his -06(he had used cheaper bullets the years before, but wanted less meat distruction) and we didn't find hardly shrapnel, and the moose ran about 60-70 yards....ointo the worst patch of alders you ever saw
Again, on my brothers moose (same year as mine mentioned above) he shot cheap bullets, and the core separated from the jacket, and the core went into the spine and teh jacket fell apart in the lungs, it dropped instantly, never moved again.:topjob:
Just my $.01
