Full 22/23 closure for king and snow crab

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US CO2 emissions have been declining for quite some time.
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Wildlife is going to need cool water and intact habitat to move to as their preferred habitats change. Removing quality habitat from them will stress wildlife more. We humans hold incredible power, we can take habitat away it took the earth thousands of years or more to build.
It is human to fear change but think about what you wrote. We know there was a much warmer period on earth when woolly mammoths roamed the North Slope. How cool would that be. As the climate changes in the future there will be winners and losers just like there always has been.
 

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Chez, while your command of conspiratorial gibberish is quite impressive, you might want to at least learn to distinguish between weather and climate before attempting to discredit collective human scientific knowledge regarding the current cause of planetary warming.
Conspiratorial gibberish? I speak in proven, historical facts

Do you understand this planet has been through MANY MANY ice ages long before man even existed and will continue to go through them forever? Humans didnt cause them, humans cannot cause them and therefor cannot prevent them, its the natural cycle of the planet.

Climate predictions are based on the weather and if your experts cant predict the weather accurately, the same weather info used to predict the climate, how can the climate predictions be accurate? They cant!!

I can explain all this to you but I cant understand it for you, good luck.
 

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Do you understand this planet has been through MANY MANY ice ages long before man even existed and will continue to go through them forever? Humans didnt cause them, humans cannot cause them and therefor cannot prevent them, its the natural cycle of the planet.
The huge difference between the climate changes we're seeing now and those of the past is the rate of change. The climate is changing far, far faster than it ever did in past periods of warming or cooling. And that dramatic rate of warming also coincides with a dramatic increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide and methane.
 

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The huge difference between the climate changes we're seeing now and those of the past is the rate of change. The climate is changing far, far faster than it ever did in past periods of warming or cooling. And that dramatic rate of warming also coincides with a dramatic increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide and methane.
This is all interesting stuff and as a scientist and someone who has been accused of being "unflappable" (i.e., not prone to being dramatic) I wonder sometimes if we are focusing on too short a time period in the record when sounding the alarm about the rate of change. (PLEASE do not mistake this as a denial the earth is warming or that there are increases in carbon dioxide and methane.)

See for example the data below where a naïve argument could be made that the warming period ended in 2012 and we are now cooling. Again, I am not making that argument (and do not believe it) but use it as an example of how we need to be careful when selecting and interpreting data.

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This is all interesting stuff and as a scientist and someone who has been accused of being "unflappable" (i.e., not prone to being dramatic) I wonder sometimes if we are focusing on too short a time period in the record when sounding the alarm about the rate of change. (PLEASE do not mistake this as a denial the earth is warming or that there are increases in carbon dioxide and methane.)

See for example the data below where a naïve argument could be made that the warming period ended in 2012 and we are now cooling. Again, I am not making that argument (and do not believe it) but use it as an example of how we need to be careful when selecting and interpreting data.
You know as well as I do that ALL scientific data needs to be considered by ALL scientists, but unfortunately that's not how it works these days. Only the data that benefits the "Great Reset," the "Green New Deal," or the "New World Order," (ie, all the same thing) will be allowed to be seen or interpreted.
 

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Well this is supposed to be a crab thread, lol. People should remember that the worlds largest king crab fishery used to be in the Gulf of Alaska around Kodiak in the 1960s. It crashed and to the best of my knowledge has been closed since 1983 (unless you count all the crabs killed as bycatch by trawlers).
 

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Well this is supposed to be a crab thread, lol. People should remember that the worlds largest king crab fishery used to be in the Gulf of Alaska around Kodiak in the 1960s. It crashed and to the best of my knowledge has been closed since 1983 (unless you count all the crabs killed as bycatch by trawlers).
I’m sure things are ripe to repeat its self. Hope they get things figured out, we don’t need to lose crab on top fish.
 

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The huge difference between the climate changes we're seeing now and those of the past is the rate of change. The climate is changing far, far faster than it ever did in past periods of warming or cooling. And that dramatic rate of warming also coincides with a dramatic increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide and methane.
Changing far far faster than past periods? Based on what?

You would need 100's if not 1000's of examples in order to get a baseline of "normal" and work from there. The ice records dont go back that far
 

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Also Brian, the crabs are all gone because they migrated too close to the edge and fell off. Prove me wrong...you can't because you don't have enough data points!
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IIRC it was every "expert" and "scientist" that said the earth was flat and it was a nobody the sailed around the world proving them all wrong...

Lets not forget all the experts stating that humans will never fly until two brothers decided not to listen to the experts and build a plane

There could be book written about all the events the "experts" have been seriously wrong about. And yet some people still blindly follow anyone claiming to be an expert even though the "experts" are being paid by the govt. and they will ONLY continue getting paid for as long as they say whatever the govt tells them to say. If they try to sway from the narrative they will get blacklisted by all forms of media and social media and their govt checks will stop coming in. My proof revolves around Musk buying Twitter and exposing the corruption for the past week or so.
 

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While the Bering snow crab season was shutdown, in Kodiak and along the Gulf apparently there are record levels of tanner to be had. For those that don't know tanner crab are marketed as snow crab.

"This year’s harvest levels for the Kodiak fishery are the biggest they’ve been since 1986, at 5.8 million pounds. That’s more than five times the size of last year’s quota. Combined with the fisheries in Chignik and the South Peninsula, 7.3 million pounds total of tanners are up for grabs in the Westward Region." https://alaskapublic.org/2023/01/13...ogether-in-protest-of-low-tanner-crab-prices/

There's so many crab to be had that the prices being offered are low, low enough to keep the boats in harbor.
 

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According to this article they didn't shutdown snow crab (tanners) in the Bering since they are paying $4 per pound for them. "Canneries to the west are currently offering close to $4 per pound for Bering Sea Tanners."

 

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According to this article they didn't shutdown snow crab (tanners) in the Bering since they are paying $4 per pound for them. "Canneries to the west are currently offering close to $4 per pound for Bering Sea Tanners."
A similar thing happened this year with the sea cucumber fishery. The processors opening bid was $2.75. It did finally come up a little after another buyer got in the game. In the last few years we have been enjoying good prices of 5-6 bucks. According to the buyers, the problem was China’s draconian covid plan. The cargo ships coming into China are so backed up because of the labor shortage that last year’s cucumber harvest had still been unloaded and sitting in a ship’s frozen hold. Most of our product goes there. It is quite possible that a similar situation exists.

My hat’s off to that crab fleet for standing down and putting the pressure on. Getting a room full of divers to agree on anything important is next to impossible.
 

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