- Jan 4, 2009
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Welp, my view on climate change is pretty simple. There is no doubt in my mind that our climate is rapidly changing right now, becoming much warmer at a very significant rate. The ultimate question is, is it a "voluntary" change (ie caused by man and his activities) or "involuntary" change (caused my mother nature). No doubt many people want to discuss the "voluntary" vs "involuntary" causes, but for me that is a red herring argument. Because it doesn't matter which it is, as if we expect to continue on this earth as a species we have to deal with it from any causes, either "voluntary" or "involuntary".
You see Norcalbob that's where you are wrong!
Most climate deniers are not denying that the climate is changing, though, there probably are a few.
Most climate deniers look at the scientific evidence from Ocean core sampling and other sources that show there were at least seven ice ages in the earths past. And of course the subsequent warming spells. So those people believe that mother nature has cyclical changes that go from cold to warming. This is also evidenced by geological data that shows fossils of tropical plants being found in the Alaskan Arctic.
So while the science does show that the Earth's temperature is warming the real question becomes is man exacerbating the problem or not.
Because mother nature doesn't have a giant thermostat that we can just turn down.
If the evidence shows that man is the problem and we are accelerating climate change by burning fossil fuels, release of excessive volumes of CO2, and other things then maybe we can change in order to slow the rate of global warming.
For instance in the past we have banned the use of certain freon chemicals as we know they are greenhouse gases that were exacerbating the hole in the ozone layer.
But if this global warming is all part of mother nature's graplan then what do you propose we do to fix the problem?
How do we make Winters last longer and more snow to accumulate so that the glaciers don't melt as fast?
How do we cool the oceans temperatures so that the crabs don't die off in Alaska's bearing Sea?
Are you a believer that the governments of the world should continue to work on ways to control mother nature so that at some point we can throw magic chemicals in the air or by some other means cool the Earth?
If man is proven to be a leading cause in the current climate change scenario there are definitely things we can do to help with that problem.
But if this is all part mother nature's grand plan so to speak what are we to do about that?
It's not exactly like we have a climate change repair shop!
So your perpetuating the premise that man is the cause or man is exacerbating the problem of global warming and that we can actually do things to change it?I think you completely missed my point. Let me restate it.
No matter the cause of climate change, ultimately mankind must deal with it in order to survive, regardless of the cause. So, it's useless to debate the causes as an excuse to not do anything, IMNSHO.
There are things mankind can do right now to help slow down those changes (or not), so it's up to mankind to decide what to do.
What happened in prior ice ages or warming didn't matter much to mankind because there weren't around 8 billion people around to suffer the effects.
If so you'll have to provide some links to factual data on that.
And how do you propose we change what mother nature has done/is doing?
One has to prove that man is the cause or is exacerbating the cause of global warming before man can change the inevitable.
Like I said the only way I know of to change what mother nature does is with experiments like they have done in creating rain by using silver iodide dropped from airplanes into the clouds.
But that is not an exact science and doesn't always work.
I have not heard of any way for mankind to reduce the Earth's temperature.
How do you propose we go about doing that?
How do you propose that we stop or change what mother nature naturally gives us?
Because it appears that you're saying that man has the ability to modify the temperature of the Earth!
And that we need to do something to change what is naturally occurring!
And I have yet to see any evidence that shows that we can do that!
We can change what man is doing but if that doesn't have the positive effects that we're looking for what do you propose we do at that point?
If it is determined that man is not the problem how do we change it at that point? Just because we have 8 billion people on this planet doesn't mean we can change the weather at will!