ever wonder who the 22lr scalpers are?

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I'm thinking you meant "foresight", but your point is taken.

Your correct:)

95% of the people *****in about scalpers, hoarders, etc are people who didn't buy the ammo when it was cheaper and now feel like it is "owed" to them at the old prices. If that's true then someone sell me gold at $200 an ounce because I failed to buy it when it was that price.
 

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So if you need .22 ammo and you didn't have the hindsight to stock up then suddenly anyone selling it for a profit is a scalper?
Guess none of you ever bought anything in your life and sold it for more than what you paid for it?

I bought more .22 ammo than I care to count at least five years ago simply because the price was so low at $8.97 per 550 bulk pack it was less expensive than when I was a young'en. And, I have no intention of selling any of it.

Free enterprise is still allowed and I hope it continues. NO ONE IS MAKING ANYONE BUY 22 AMMO AT THE GUN SHOW.

Precious metals, land, housing, etc. The buyers set the price for it all, not the sellers. If the sellers have to high of a price no one will buy it.

Good post! I think the real idiots are the ones paying scalper prices when they don't really need the ammo. He if you are silly enough to pay 80.00 for a brink then you cant blame the guy selling it. Some blame if not as much goes to the people who pay the stupid price. Is a brick worth 80.00? To some people it is. I feel sorry for them when they really don't need it but want to "stock up"
 

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Your correct:)

95% of the people *****in about scalpers, hoarders, etc are people who didn't buy the ammo when it was cheaper and now feel like it is "owed" to them at the old prices. If that's true then someone sell me gold at $200 an ounce because I failed to buy it when it was that price.

I don't know about all that. I cant say that I know anyone that feels they're "owed" .22lr, regardless of price...but I also cant say that I know anyone who can afford to go spend an hour or two at the range plinking either. If there was ammo on the shelves, they can darned sure afford to buy it. It's not about the $, it's about the fact that they don't want to shoot up the 200 rounds they own, then have nothing come hunting season because the horders have bought every last round.
 

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Alangaq looks like your working up a Lynch Mod. We don't take kindly to Lynch Mob's around here!
 

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So...because my four boys have recently become a lot more interested in shooting their .22s, mostly because they have gotten involved in Appleseed, they should be limited on how much they are able to shoot because some ijits think they are entitled to most of the available .22 ammo?

You know, the ones that can stand in line for hours in numerous stores, change clothes to do it all over again, and then brag on another fourm how great they are while the rest of us that have jobs and other obligations are told we should have foreseen this coming years ago.

I don't know about the rest of you here but I can't afford, nor would I pay $60-80 for something that was bought at $20-25.

So some are saying to my boys...sure sucks to be you that you can't learn marksmanship...?

Yeah... these "folks" sure are good for the shooting sports...right?
 

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After raising 3 boys of my own I can tell you I feel for you and them. But their interest in the shooting sports are not that much different from hockey, football, etc.
 

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I don't know about the rest of you here but I can't afford, nor would I pay $60-80 for something that was bought at $20-25.

So some are saying to my boys...sure sucks to be you that you can't learn marksmanship...?

Yeah... these "folks" sure are good for the shooting sports...right?
I feel the same.
Yeah, I planned poorly by not buying up a bunch of .22up before the 2nd "Obama scare". So when I really wanted to take the boys out plinking yesterday afternoon, I had to say no. I really don't have enough surplus .22 to do that as I used to with them. I won't make the same mistake again if .22 becomes readily available. I won't hoard, but I won't be caught short either.
I detest the scalpers and the hoarders, but I also detest the killers and the anti-gun folks who used those heinous killings to push their gun-hating agenda. And lastly, I bitterly detest the administration and the other usual suspects who jumped on the band wagon for political reasons. Can't stand 'em.
 

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So...because my four boys have recently become a lot more interested in shooting their .22s, mostly because they have gotten involved in Appleseed, they should be limited on how much they are able to shoot because some ijits think they are entitled to most of the available .22 ammo?

You know, the ones that can stand in line for hours in numerous stores, change clothes to do it all over again, and then brag on another fourm how great they are while the rest of us that have jobs and other obligations are told we should have foreseen this coming years ago.

I don't know about the rest of you here but I can't afford, nor would I pay $60-80 for something that was bought at $20-25.

So some are saying to my boys...sure sucks to be you that you can't learn marksmanship...?

Yeah... these "folks" sure are good for the shooting sports...right?

My wife and two kids got into archery for many years, and still shot guns of all types, but found archery a great option to enjoy and relatively cheap after the initial outlay for equipment. Might be a viable option for ya? I stopped by a Scheels store after work hoping to find some powder I have been wanting. No luck on that but they had about 400 - 50 round boxes of Rem 22 std velocity on the shelf. 4 box limit at $3.99 ea plus 10% sales tax... We host an annual Easter Sunday family get together at our farm and put out eggs for the tots to find, then the big kids fill some with tanerite and blast away! Its great to see all ages from Granny's to beginners banging away! Sure puts a dent in my ammo stock though!!! :)
 

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Yeah... these "folks" sure are good for the shooting sports...right?

That there is the crux of it. Folks that are arguing economics and capitalism have valid points, but they're missing something important - the community of gun owners. That may not matter a whit to them, but that's what is driving the bad blood. Comparing it to the price of gold or beer is completely missing the point. The current shortage is hurting the community of shooters and is harmful to the future of our pursuit. It may make every bit of economic sense, but that doesn't make it right in the minds of many.
 

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If a big retailer like Cabela's or Sportsman's Warehouse was to take radical steps to stabilize the market I would be onboard.

Suppose they brought in a pallet of bricks and announced that they would price them $50 per brick to start and then step the price down by a dollar a day until they sold out or got down to the normal price. Then when the next shipment comes in they start all over again at $50 per brick and repeat until sanity prevails and they can go back to stocked shelves and fair pricing.

It may seem like an odd thing to try but in such a small and isolated population as Alaska I bet it could work.

Everyone would be forced to decide at what price point they'd be a buyer. The folks who are willing to spend $40+ per brick could do so without supporting the scalpers and guys like me who won't spend more than $25 would only have ourselves to blame if we go away empty handed.

They would need to explain what they were doing to their customers to avoid pizzing them off. I think most folks who are paying attention to the situation would be understanding.
 

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It's not .22 ammo that they highly value, Duncan - it's common decency that is valued, and that which seems to be lacking in those that are described in this thread.

Incidentally, the $10 beer analogy doesn't hold water. One can quite easily go buy beer elsewhere for significantly lower prices. One cannot simply go buy .22 ammo elsewhere for lower prices - at least not with any predictability - and part of the reason is because of the hoarding/scalping. If the arena bought up the entire supply of beer and then charged their outrageous prices, then you'd have a point - but of course, that's not what happens.

You cannot "quite easily go buy beer elsewhere for significantly lower price" and bring it into the ballpark. They have a little racket going just like the scalpers, if you want a beer in the ballpark you must buy it from them . . . your options are pay the $10 or drink cheap beer at home watching TV . . . with 22 you can pay the $40 or $100 or whatever or stand in line at walmart when the truck comes in. Same exact thing, buyer’s choice!


If everyone chose cheap beer/TV and the Walmart ammo line scalpers would be gone.


If the pot is too rich for you just smile and walk away . . . why piss and moan that you think this guy over charged and that guy got ripped off? Do we really need a 22 scalper lynch mob? Nobody have anything better to do than judge others as too shady to sell what he owns at a fair (as judged by you) price or too dumb to see that ammo is (as judged by you) over priced? What, you want BATF involved in that too? Maybe there needs to be a 22 ammo corporation commission to regulate the price in a fair manner??


Sorry but it all sounds like sore loser sour grapes pissing and moaning to me boys! It is the way it is and any of the socialist “we need it more fair and even for all the poor kidies” kind of fixes will just make it WAY worse! Now quite whining, hike up them big boy panties, turn that frown upside down and get yourself in the next ammo [bread] line <or> pay a nasty scalper to stand in the line for you <or> take door 3 and find a way around buying 22!!:topjob:
 

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Folks can say all they want that there are twice as many shooters now as there were in 2007. There may be twice as many gun owners, but not twice as many shooters. Before a guy can be a shooter, he has to be able to buy ammo....

Yup true, that is the whole point though . . . they have a new 22 and no ammo, they WILL buy ammo, they WILL line up, they WILL pay whatever price when they see it because they don’t have a stockpile to ride this out out. Guess how many such new 22s I’ve handed to new shooters without a single 22 round to their name in the last year! They are all out there trying find ammo to shoot their new toy AND build up a stash.

And they have evey right!!
 

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Your correct:)

95% of the people *****in about scalpers, hoarders, etc are people who didn't buy the ammo when it was cheaper and now feel like it is "owed" to them at the old prices. If that's true then someone sell me gold at $200 an ounce because I failed to buy it when it was that price.
Yup, Id be glad to pay $500 cuz I forgot to but then too . . . so who forgot to sell at $500?
 

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Yeah...real nice...

No sore looser sour grapes here just facts.

Guess some did not read the forum that was linked here a while back where a "hero" bragged how he only was able to get 90 or so bricks of .22 from Walmart and could only scam a few extra from Cabela's one box limit.

Unfortunately there are many others like him.

Some of us have jobs and/or other obligations that do not allow us to stand in lines for hours.

Yeah it is for the kids. How many kids will not get into shooting because of this?



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Originally Posted by hogfamily...

"Yeah... these "folks" sure are good for the shooting sports...right?"

That there is the crux of it. Folks that are arguing economics and capitalism have valid points, but they're missing something important - the community of gun owners. That may not matter a whit to them, but that's what is driving the bad blood. Comparing it to the price of gold or beer is completely missing the point. The current shortage is hurting the community of shooters and is harmful to the future of our pursuit. It may make every bit of economic sense, but that doesn't make it right in the minds of many.
 

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I feel for you guys with kids, but reality is what it is, an air rifle or used bow would fill the time much more usefully than posting on here in circles no? 3 bears has a nice looking .22 $40 off right now...


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I feel for you guys with kids, but reality is what it is, an air rifle or used bow would fill the time much more usefully than posting on here in circles no? 3 bears has a nice looking .22 $40 off right now...


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We have air rifles and pistols too and into archery.

I'm at work, supposed to be completing a patient chart...much more fun to post here...:)
 

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You cannot "quite easily go buy beer elsewhere for significantly lower price" and bring it into the ballpark. They have a little racket going just like the scalpers, if you want a beer in the ballpark you must buy it from them . . . your options are pay the $10 or drink cheap beer at home watching TV . . . with 22 you can pay the $40 or $100 or whatever or stand in line at walmart when the truck comes in. Same exact thing, buyer’s choice!

I still contend that the analogy doesn't hold true - no, I wouldn't be able to bring the beer back into the ballpark, but I can still go get some if I wanted to. It would be like if a firing range required you to buy their ammo at $80/brick and didn't allow outside ammo. Alright, that's their right - but most folks would just go shoot elsewhere. In the market as it now stands, many people can't go shoot elsewhere, can't go buy ammo elsewhere, as it's simply not available at a price they can afford. And that is not good for the shooting community or the health of our pursuit.

For what it's worth, I'm not crying about my personal situation. I've got enough for my needs, and hopefully enough to get my kids started in the couple years to come (they're about to turn 4 and 6). I bought six bricks at the WalMart madhouse a couple weeks ago, and three bricks have already been allocated to friends with young shooters. I'm doing just fine - just clarifying why people are upset for those who think it's purely about economics.
 

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And that is not good for the shooting community or the health of our pursuit.

To me that's the biggest part about this whole fiasco. I'm not crying either as I don't shoot my 22 that much and I do have a few bricks. I just don't like what it's saying about our shooting "fraternity". It just seems it's this "look out for #1" mentality. Whenever there's ammo available it's "screw your buddy week" every week.....to hell with the other guy.

The other thing is I'm sure the antis get a big laugh about it every time they read about it or it's mentioned......

This sh*t is getting old......REAL old.....
 

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Teach your kids to shoot with a pellet gun, pretty nice pump up pistols out there with alot of umph to them. A cheap way to get them going and at the same time stock up on 22's when you can get them.

I have one pellet pistol that won't knock over a beer can unless you hit the rim,( goes right throught the sides like butter at 40 feet) getting pretty good a hitting the rim, grins.
 

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