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Anybody viewed the beyond beleif dvd....wonder what caliber they are shooting in some of those elk kills at 700 yards and more...
 

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ya can't bull**** a bull****ER...

ya can't bull**** a bull****ER...

700 yards???? That's approximately a half mile!!! Snipers??? Rifle bolted down and anchored in conrete??? Dead calm day when even a feather falls straight down??? Rangefinder off a LITTLE??? I haven't seen the vid, but you can bet I am going to get my hands on it soon. Hats off to fellas making "confident" shots at that range! I couldn't pull the trigger feeling "good" about my placement. I am not questioning the video, I'm just saying...700 yards???

Another great topic to write a book about...I think I will try to market it in the "personal fitness and health" section. Write about the exercise you'd get at the range. Just think...every 3 shots, you walk a half mile just to change your target!!! Then you walk another half mile just to take another 3 shots!!! Now let's do it all over again!! Come to think of it...this could also be found in the "personal finance" section too. I'd be willing to bet that after not too many of those mile long trips, you'd be saving on shells!!!!!
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I can hook you up with a couple of specialty pistol forums where guys are making the same type & distance shots with single shot handguns. Under 3" groups on target at that range. Amazing. BUT, they are using bipods, handheld weather stations, rangefinders, & small handheld computers that figure the wind drift & drop so they can dial the correct # of clicks into the scope or using graduated reticles rather than doing "Kentucky windage".
Pretty amazing.
 

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beyond beleif DVD....

beyond beleif DVD....

That DVD is called Beyond Beleif...and it is...they have a coyote getting hammered at 1017 yards according to the range finder...it features over 30 kills at crazy yardages...the host is John Burns from "best of the west" show....elk..mules...whities and yotes...it is the teaser at around twenty dollars...with the three dvd instructional set going for 100.00 from there website...http://www.thebestofthewest.net/mambo/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
Am going to buy the set , it covers the rifle...optics...range finder...technique..etc....sounds pretty good...the completed rifles they sell are very expensive......

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beyond beleif dvd...

beyond beleif dvd...

I had "heard " from an Alberta gunstore employee that he thought they were using a 7mm STW....for the big stuff...and god knows what for the yoties......

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Caliber

Caliber

If you look at the catriges on the stock of the rifle when they are at the range it looks to me like it is the 30-378 Weatherby.
 

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Too far for me

Too far for me

There is a 1000 yd public shooting range where I am from in Missoula MT. I read an online article a while back about shooting/testing the 325wsm at 700yds with good results. It turns out they were at that range. Not for me, that's too far. Intersting though that guys can make those long shots with any gun or caliber.
 

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hey Snyd, how long have you been up here?
We left Kenai & movet to Hamilton MT. for 5 yrs but came back here 4 yrs ago. I do miss the elk hunting down there!
 

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calibers....????

calibers....????

A quick look at there webpage shows some used systems for sale and one of them was a 7mm/404 express.......would that be comparable to a 30/378 ?? Those cartridges look huge.......

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A quick look at there webpage shows some used systems for sale and one of them was a 7mm/404 express.......would that be comparable to a 30/378 ?? Those cartridges look huge.......

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The 7mm/404 would be similar to the 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum.
 

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Another Montana Boy

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hey Snyd, how long have you been up here?
We left Kenai & movet to Hamilton MT. for 5 yrs but came back here 4 yrs ago. I do miss the elk hunting down there!

Hey Vance,
I moved to Fairbanks from Missoula in 1992. I actually was living in Lolo when I moved up here. My folks still live in Missoula. Worked at Bitterroot Motors for 8 or 9 years. Boy, that Bitterrrot Valley is really grown now. I miss the elk and whitetail hunting but love hunting in Alaska.
 

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Dan Lilja from Lilja Barrels used to hunt Elk at Long Range. No shots were taken under 800 yards. It's all in the equipment and the amount of practice one does. Dan used the 338'378 WBY for his shooting. WWII range finders, shooting bench were all taken out in the field for this shooting. Boyd Heaton from PA. does a lot of long range shooting for whitetails in PA. I have a friend in VA that is a long range varmint shooter. Practice and equipment make it all possible.


Of course somebody here accused me of being unethical for shooting Caribou at a measley 467 yards. But I have the equipment and do the practice needed for those shots.
 

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I saw a ram get killed at well over 700 yards and 45 degrees uphill, this past year. Talk about a miracle.
300 SAUM was the caliber.
 

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Hmmm. If it was ranged at 700 yds actual distance and the shot was uphill at 45 degrees the bullet trajectory would have "thought" the yardage was less. If you were able to take the shooter and the ram and stick them in thier postions and flatten the terrain between them, the yardage would be less than 700 yds. Either way though, sounds like it was a miracle shot.
 

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long range

long range

I do personally know one indivual capable of 1000 yard shots. I am also quite certain the range was not merely hyperbole. He prefered a Remington Sendero, with some work done to it, chambered in .300 Win Mag. He is an exceptional marksman, but was not above losing a match due to a tumbling projectile. THat makes me wonder about the wisdom of shooting game at that distance.
This particular individual is not alone, as the U.S. Navy fieldes a handful of such exceptional shots on their match teams. Most of them are SEALs, and snipers, to boot.
 

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Here's what I don't get about these shots at extreme ranges:

1000 yards is 3000 feet.

These fellas seem to have their bullets leaving the barrel at 3000 fps (give or take).

If we pretend the bullet loses no velocity flying downrange (something we know to be untrue), it would take a full second to reach its target. In reality we're looking at significantly more time than that.

That kind of flight time gives a target animal plenty of time to move, doesn't it? I mean, more than enough time for an ethically placed killing shot to become a gut shot or other wounding loss without the animal going far.

And given that 1/2 minute of angle accuracy (assuming the shooter can adjust perfectly for any wind drift - big assumption) is quite a few inches at 1000 yards, I just don't understand how it's done.

Do people shoot only at bedded animals?

I don't claim to know what's involved in this kind of shooting. Can somebody explain it?
 

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8X57 check out the different Ballistic charts on this page.

http://www.eskimo.com/~jbm/calculations/calculations.html


Also buy yourself a copy of the following 2 books and then do a lot of practice at the ranges you would like too shoot at/up too.

The Ultimate in Rifle Accuracy by Glenn Newick.

Pejsa's Handbook of New Precision Ballistics by Arthur Pejsa.


Both are very good books.


1/2 MOA at 1,000 yards is 5.25" groups.

At 1,000 yards the wind will not have as much effect on the bullet as it does at the muzzle. By the time the bullet gets to 1,000 yards it has stabalized where at the muzzle it has not had time to stabalize yet.

I have shot just under 3/4 MOA at 600 yards with my 50 BMG.
 
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338 Ultra Mag

338 Ultra Mag

Think this would be a flat shooter and capable of one shot drops on moose/elk/bear out to 400-500 yards with the right bullet..the age of ultra mags /short mags....etc...they all seem redundant at times with miniscual realistic differences...I have not bought a new rifle for years now..with the last being a model 700 -7mm mag. I looked at a Sendero in a 300 ultra mag today....very nice shooter... your thoughts..????? I tend to like longer shots with bigger guns..within reason....

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