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[iofthetaiga]

Good grief I forgot about all the tin foil conspiracy fools on here. You could of saved all that you typed above and typed:

”I don’t know anything about this but my feelings are hurt”.

I don’t care about your opinion. It’s obvious you know nothing about what they have done up here. It was an entertaining read though. Still laughing at the four locations part. That was a good one. And the map showing them. I forgot to look at my map of the know it alls on AOD before responding. Easy to forget when you check in once or twice a year.

let’s see that “map” of all the spaceX sites in alaska. Post it up or shut up. I won’t be waiting, cuz there isn’t one. I’m still laughing about the satellites too.

You seem like such a pleasant and secure person, Dave!

Sorry, I apparently forgot a station, or just had a brain slip/typo. There are actually 5 ground stations in Alaska (SpaceX/Starlink calls them "gateways"): Ketchikan, Anchorage, Nome, Fairbanks/NP, Kuparuk. The FCC licenses, exact geographic locations, array details, etc. for those stations is all public information. But, as I stated previously, to date there are no operational satellites in polar orbits. Of the 5, the only station able to maintain continuous contact with operational satellites is Ketchikan; it is typically tracking about 3 satellites at a time (an operationally extremely minimal number) along the extreme northern edge of the operational satellite orbit band, and it has to look pretty far south to do so. It is yet to be seen if Musk will ever decide to put operational sats in the polar band. Thus far he is doing what he has told investors/cooperators he intends to do: fill in coverage holes in the equatorial/mid-latitude band. At the current rate he can continue doing so for a very long time. In the grand scheme of things a few completed ground stations in Alaska don't mean squat as an indicator of things to come for us; the cost of constructing those 5 stations is utterly insignificant relative to the cost of the whole operation.

 

[magpie]

You seem like such a pleasant and secure person, Dave!

Sorry, I apparently forgot a station, or just had a brain slip/typo. There are actually 5 ground stations in Alaska (SpaceX/Starlink calls them "gateways"): Ketchikan, Anchorage, Nome, Fairbanks/NP, Kuparuk. The FCC licenses, exact geographic locations, array details, etc. for those stations is all public information. But, as I stated previously, to date there are no operational satellites in polar orbits. Of the 5, the only station able to maintain continuous contact with operational satellites is Ketchikan; it is typically tracking about 3 satellites at a time (an operationally extremely minimal number) along the extreme northern edge of the operational satellite orbit band, and it has to look pretty far south to do so. It is yet to be seen if Musk will ever decide to put operational sats in the polar band. Thus far he is doing what he has told investors/cooperators he intends to do: fill in coverage holes in the equatorial/mid-latitude band. At the current rate he can continue doing so for a very long time. In the grand scheme of things a few completed ground stations in Alaska don't mean squat as an indicator of things to come for us; the cost of constructing those 5 stations is utterly insignificant relative to the cost of the whole operation.

Starlink is up and going in Alaska and they have shipped the first round of orders. Seems like your information was wrong!

 

[iofthetaiga]

Starlink is up and going in Alaska and they have shipped the first round of orders. Seems like your information was wrong!

Oh, bull. This is what starlink looks like right now as I type this, and it hasn't changed since my last post. You see Ketchikan? That's the only connectivity in Alaska, and it's damn marginal.

 

[magpie]

Oh, bull. This is what starlink looks like right now as I type this, and it hasn't changed since my last post. You see Ketchikan? That's the only connectivity in Alaska, and it's damn marginal.

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You’re wrong but I don’t care. Whatever makes you sleep better at night!

 

[moose338]

My neighbour received an email from Starlink a few days ago saying they're up and running. He paid for the service and his terminal is in the mail.

 

[iofthetaiga]

My neighbour received an email from Starlink a few days ago saying they're up and running. He paid for the service and his terminal is in the mail.

Cool. Where in Alaska? Can you report when your neighbor actually has service? Because as of this moment, I'm not seeing any continuous coverage of interior Alaska. There's an occasional satellite passing over the Bearing and ticking the west coast of Alaska for a couple minutes at a time, but no continuous connection there, and none at all over the central interior.

 

[iofthetaiga]

Cool. Where in Alaska? Can you report when your neighbor actually has service? Because as of this moment, I'm not seeing any continuous coverage of interior Alaska. There's an occasional satellite passing over the Bearing and ticking the west coast of Alaska for a couple minutes at a time, but no continuous connection there, and none at all over the central interior.

...And now, at this timestamp, there's an occasional satellite passing over Yukon Territory and ticking extreme eastern Alaska, just within reach of the Fairbanks/NP gateway. (Starlink sats are not geostationary, and the sporadic passing of an individual satellite does not come close to constituting potential continuous connectivity).

 

[Patsfan54]

Starlink believers in Alaska be like

 

[magpie]

Cool. Where in Alaska? Can you report when your neighbor actually has service? Because as of this moment, I'm not seeing any continuous coverage of interior Alaska. There's an occasional satellite passing over the Bearing and ticking the west coast of Alaska for a couple minutes at a time, but no continuous connection there, and none at all over the central interior.

You’re not seeing a lot.

@moose338 don’t answer him because he’s just going to say how you’re wrong anyhow haha.

Happy to report a customer of mine is up and going and he couldn’t be happier! Location for iofthetaiga? Middle of fu country right by youdontknow schit creek

 

[iofthetaiga]

You’re not seeing a lot.

@moose338 don’t answer him because he’s just going to say how you’re wrong anyhow haha.

Happy to report a customer of mine is up and going and he couldn’t be happier! Location for iofthetaiga? Middle of fu country right by youdontknow schit creek

You need to look in a mirror, friend. The people being the nastiest here so far, are the advocates for starlink who allege to have built parts of the ground system, or have "happy customers" using it, but are apparently either unwilling or unable to discuss it intelligently. You call names and claim the information is is somehow secret (it's not). Locations/information about ground stations is public info, every satellite is tracked; its orbital path, altitude, operational parameters, company ID, NORAD ID...all visible and public info. If you're allegedly knowledgible and claim to have a neighbor or "customer" who is allegedly up and running with starlink in mainland Alaska, but you are unwilling/unable to speak intelligently about it and share helpful real-world information regarding alleged conectivity, then your credibility is highly suspect.

 

[magpie]

You need to look in a mirror, friend. The people being the nastiest here so far, are the advocates for starlink who allege to have built parts of the ground system, or have "happy customers" using it, but are apparently either unwilling or unable to discuss it intelligently. You call names and claim the information is is somehow secret (it's not). Locations/information about ground stations is public info, every satellite is tracked; its orbital path, altitude, operational parameters, company ID, NORAD ID...all visible and public info. If you're allegedly knowledgible and claim to have a neighbor or "customer" who is allegedly up and running with starlink in mainland Alaska, but you are unwilling/unable to speak intelligently about it and share helpful real-world information regarding alleged conectivity, then your credibility is highly suspect.

Credibility to you? Oh man I’m going to lose sleep on this tonight. Keep checking those websites and let us know when starlink is functional. Meanwhile we will keep using it 😂😂😂🤣🤣

 

[Doug in Alaska]

Credibility to you? Oh man I’m going to lose sleep on this tonight. Keep checking those websites and let us know when starlink is functional. Meanwhile we will keep using it 😂😂😂🤣🤣

There's really no point in argueing with him, he knows everything about everything.

 

[iofthetaiga]

There's really no point in argueing with him, he knows everything about everything.

I know that so far the one person here who just claimed to be using it is just a troll. I also know there's a guy working for UAF who just got hooked up within the past day or so and is one of the first here to begin testing it; no report yet on whether he can maintain a continuous connection. Looking forward to hearing factual information from actual people as they actually begin testing it.

 

[moose338]

Cool. Where in Alaska? Can you report when your neighbor actually has service? Because as of this moment, I'm not seeing any continuous coverage of interior Alaska. There's an occasional satellite passing over the Bearing and ticking the west coast of Alaska for a couple minutes at a time, but no continuous connection there, and none at all over the central interior.

I've asked him to keep me up to date on the subject since I'll be getting it too if it works for him. Location is southeast of Fairbanks towards Salcha, so it's probably going to perform similarly for anyone in the Fairbanks area . I'll give updates once he has received it and actually tries it out.

 

[magpie]

I know that so far the one person here who just claimed to be using it is just a troll. I also know there's a guy working for UAF who just got hooked up within the past day or so and is one of the first here to begin testing it; no report yet on whether he can maintain a continuous connection. Looking forward to hearing factual information from actual people as they actually begin testing it.

😂😂😂. You went from “it’s only working in KTN to you know a guy at UAF who is using it”. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

But how can that be? You posted that fancy map showing no coverage?

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[iofthetaiga]

I've asked him to keep me up to date on the subject since I'll be getting it too if it works for him. Location is southeast of Fairbanks towards Salcha, so it's probably going to perform similarly for anyone in the Fairbanks area . I'll give updates once he has received it and actually tries it out.

Awesome. I learned yesterday that i have a friend who's feeling rich and is also going to try it, so we can compare notes once/if they both get up and running.
I don't know how many users/bandwidth a single satellite at a time can support(?), so will be interesting to see what happens if a bunch of people across the state sign on. Starlink admitted they activated these sats earlier than intended. The implication was not that they're ahead of schedule, because the opposite is obviously true. I suspect the fact that the owner is now obviously overleveraged financially, facing potential bankruptcy with his recent ego driven purchase and desperately scratching for income likely drove the decision. I'm interested to see how it functions with so few satellites, but i'm not interested in throwing money at it until/unless it's proven stable and reliable. $800 up front and $150/month thereafter is a heavy commitment just for the sake of experimenting (especially given that it might be owned by the Saudis soon). Right now i think he's playing a desperate pyramid scheme.

 

[The German]

Awesome. I learned yesterday that i have a friend who's feeling rich and is also going to try it, so we can compare notes once/if they both get up and running.
I don't know how many users/bandwidth a single satellite at a time can support(?), so will be interesting to see what happens if a bunch of people across the state sign on. Starlink admitted they activated these sats earlier than intended. The implication was not that they're ahead of schedule, because the opposite is obviously true. I suspect the fact that the owner is now obviously overleveraged financially, facing potential bankruptcy with his recent ego driven purchase and desperately scratching for income likely drove the decision. I'm interested to see how it functions with so few satellites, but i'm not interested in throwing money at it until/unless it's proven stable and reliable. $800 up front and $150/month thereafter is a heavy commitment just for the sake of experimenting (especially given that it might be owned by the Saudis soon). Right now i think he's playing a desperate pyramid scheme.

Ok,,,,, well, we've got some friends from the lower-48 staying with us this winter here in the Valley, they drove their RV up this fall, and they have the RV version of Starlink, they are from the So. Cal area, and their Elon Sat package has been great for them, but as they headed North this Fall on the Alcan, reception started getting "Sketchy" before they got out of BC, and by the time they were in White Horse, it was DONE,,,,, so, there you go, 1st hand actual knowledge if you like it,,,,, or NOT....... and Yea, we just tried it again yesterday, here in the Valley, Nada,,,,,,,Nothing, Zero, and yea, it's going to be awhile, if ever, that I'm sending Elon My_Money, anytime soon......

 

[iofthetaiga]

troll | trōl |
noun
1. a person who makes a deliberately offensive or provocative online post:

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pro·jec·tion | prəˈjekSH(ə)n |
noun
1. the unconscious transfer of one's own failures, foibles or flaws to another person: we protect the self by a number of defense mechanisms, including repression and projection.

 

[iofthetaiga]

Awesome. I learned yesterday that i have a friend who's feeling rich and is also going to try it, so we can compare notes once/if they both get up and running.
I don't know how many users/bandwidth a single satellite at a time can support(?), so will be interesting to see what happens if a bunch of people across the state sign on. Starlink admitted they activated these sats earlier than intended. The implication was not that they're ahead of schedule, because the opposite is obviously true. I suspect the fact that the owner is now obviously overleveraged financially, facing potential bankruptcy with his recent ego driven purchase and desperately scratching for income likely drove the decision. I'm interested to see how it functions with so few satellites, but i'm not interested in throwing money at it until/unless it's proven stable and reliable. $800 up front and $150/month thereafter is a heavy commitment just for the sake of experimenting (especially given that it might be owned by the Saudis soon). Right now i think he's playing a desperate pyramid scheme.

Very preliminary info from friend: speed is very fast when satellite is visible and connection can be made, but so far unable to maintain continuous connection.

 

[iofthetaiga]

Very preliminary info from friend: speed is very fast when satellite is visible and connection can be made, but so far unable to maintain continuous connection.

Spent some time today tracking the sats, comparing notes with friend and correlating to real world ground reception. The tracking website has proven quite accurate. The general situation: satellites track in orbital paths running more or less from magnetic N to S. Within the orbital path of a string of satellites each individual satellite's coverage area just barely overlaps with the following one, at best. The orbital paths of each string of satellites travel across Alaska from E to W. Currently the E-W distance between orbits it far too wide to allow any coverage overlap at all; one string of satellites is disappearing over Russia and it's coverage is leaving the west coast of AK about the time the next string begins to become visible over central Canada and its coverage is approaching Yukon Territory. So as the N-S orbit strings track E to W, our coverage here in central AK transitions from zero to marginal to good, to marginal to zero. The good period lasts about an hour or so, and the dead zone lasts about an hour or so until the next string comes into view from the East (a coverage period of about 3 hours or so, with about an hour of that being solid while the orbit path is directly overhead). Generally, we won't be able to maintain continuous connectivity here until the number of satellites serving this latitude roughly doubles, at least.