A Letter from the White House

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So a while back I used one of the sites that you can send messages to all your congressmen, senators and the President a message about your position on gun control. I got emails back from all of the Alaska people claiming that they do not support any of it, today I got the response from the White House.. Some of you probably got it as well but here it is cut and pasted for your enjoyment. What a load of crud with the ud replaced with ap. I did not expect to get a personal letter directed at me or anything but this is basically telling me I am wrong and should support his ideas...

Thank you for taking the time to write. I have heard from many Americans regarding firearms policy and gun violence in our Nation, and I appreciate your perspective. From Aurora to Newtown to the streets of Chicago, we have seen the devastating effects gun violence has on our American family. I join countless others in grieving for all those whose lives have been taken too soon by gun violence.

Like the majority of Americans, I believe the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. In this country, we have a strong tradition of gun ownership that has been handed down from generation to generation. Hunting and sport shooting are part of our national heritage. Yet, even as we acknowledge that almost all gun owners in America are responsible, when we look at the devastation caused by gun violence—whether in high-profile tragedies or the daily heartbreak that plagues our cities—we must ask ourselves whether we are doing enough.

While reducing gun violence is a complicated challenge, protecting our children from harm should not be a divisive one. Most gun owners agree that we can respect the Second Amendment while keeping an irresponsible, law-breaking few from inflicting harm on a massive scale. Most also agree that if we took commonsense steps to curtail gun violence, there would be fewer atrocities like the one that occurred in Newtown. We will not be able to stop every violent act, but if there is even one thing we can do to reduce gun violence—if even one life can be saved—then we have an obligation to try.

That is why I asked Vice President Joe Biden to identify concrete steps we can take to keep our children safe, help prevent mass shootings, and reduce the broader epidemic of gun violence in this country. He met with over 200 groups representing a broad cross-section of Americans and heard their best ideas. I have put forward a specific set of proposals based off of his efforts, and in the days ahead, I intend to use whatever weight this office holds to make them a reality.

My plan gives law enforcement, schools, mental health professionals, and the public health community some of the tools they need to help reduce gun violence. These tools include strengthening the background check system, helping schools hire more resource officers and counselors and develop emergency preparedness plans, and ensuring mental health professionals know their options for reporting threats of violence. And I directed the Centers for Disease Control to study the best ways to reduce gun violence—because it is critical that we understand the science behind this public health crisis.

As important as these steps are, they are not a substitute for action from Congress. To make a real and lasting difference, members of Congress must also act. As part of my comprehensive plan, I have called on them to pass some specific proposals right away. First, it is time to require a universal background check for anyone trying to buy a gun. Second, Congress should renew the 10-round limit on magazines and reinstate and strengthen the assault weapons ban. We should get tougher on those who buy guns with the purpose of selling them to criminals, and we should impose serious punishments on anyone who helps them do this.

These are reasonable, commonsense measures that have the support of the majority of the American people. But change will not come unless the American people demand it from their lawmakers. Now is the time to do the right thing for our children, our communities, and the country we love. We owe the victims of heartbreaking national tragedies and the countless unheralded tragedies each year nothing less than our best effort—to seek consensus in order to save lives and ensure a brighter future for our children.

Thank you, again, for writing. I encourage you to visit www.WhiteHouse.gov/NowIsTheTime to learn more about my Administration’s approach.


Sincerely,​
Barack Obama

 

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So a while back I used one of the sites that you can send messages to all your congressmen, senators and the President a message about your position on gun control. I got emails back from all of the Alaska people claiming that they do not support any of it, today I got the response from the White House.. Some of you probably got it as well but here it is cut and pasted for your enjoyment. What a load of crud with the ud replaced with ap. I did not expect to get a personal letter directed at me or anything but this is basically telling me I am wrong and should support his ideas...

Thank you for taking the time to write. I have heard from many Americans regarding firearms policy and gun violence in our Nation, and I appreciate your perspective. From Aurora to Newtown to the streets of Chicago, we have seen the devastating effects gun violence has on our American family. I join countless others in grieving for all those whose lives have been taken too soon by gun violence.

Like the majority of Americans, I believe the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. In this country, we have a strong tradition of gun ownership that has been handed down from generation to generation. Hunting and sport shooting are part of our national heritage. Yet, even as we acknowledge that almost all gun owners in America are responsible, when we look at the devastation caused by gun violence—whether in high-profile tragedies or the daily heartbreak that plagues our cities—we must ask ourselves whether we are doing enough.

While reducing gun violence is a complicated challenge, protecting our children from harm should not be a divisive one. Most gun owners agree that we can respect the Second Amendment while keeping an irresponsible, law-breaking few from inflicting harm on a massive scale. Most also agree that if we took commonsense steps to curtail gun violence, there would be fewer atrocities like the one that occurred in Newtown. We will not be able to stop every violent act, but if there is even one thing we can do to reduce gun violence—if even one life can be saved—then we have an obligation to try.

That is why I asked Vice President Joe Biden to identify concrete steps we can take to keep our children safe, help prevent mass shootings, and reduce the broader epidemic of gun violence in this country. He met with over 200 groups representing a broad cross-section of Americans and heard their best ideas. I have put forward a specific set of proposals based off of his efforts, and in the days ahead, I intend to use whatever weight this office holds to make them a reality.

My plan gives law enforcement, schools, mental health professionals, and the public health community some of the tools they need to help reduce gun violence. These tools include strengthening the background check system, helping schools hire more resource officers and counselors and develop emergency preparedness plans, and ensuring mental health professionals know their options for reporting threats of violence. And I directed the Centers for Disease Control to study the best ways to reduce gun violence—because it is critical that we understand the science behind this public health crisis.

As important as these steps are, they are not a substitute for action from Congress. To make a real and lasting difference, members of Congress must also act. As part of my comprehensive plan, I have called on them to pass some specific proposals right away. First, it is time to require a universal background check for anyone trying to buy a gun. Second, Congress should renew the 10-round limit on magazines and reinstate and strengthen the assault weapons ban. We should get tougher on those who buy guns with the purpose of selling them to criminals, and we should impose serious punishments on anyone who helps them do this.

These are reasonable, commonsense measures that have the support of the majority of the American people. But change will not come unless the American people demand it from their lawmakers. Now is the time to do the right thing for our children, our communities, and the country we love. We owe the victims of heartbreaking national tragedies and the countless unheralded tragedies each year nothing less than our best effort—to seek consensus in order to save lives and ensure a brighter future for our children.

Thank you, again, for writing. I encourage you to visit www.WhiteHouse.gov/NowIsTheTime to learn more about my Administration’s approach.


Sincerely,​
Barack Obama

Some underling spent considerable time crafting that letter.
I have found that you have to be very, very special, and very useful, in order for any politician to personally address your concerns.
 

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His plan is pass it to Joe and hope to reenact some bills that had the sunset on them. If we can save one child we should do it (B.O.) OK how about shut down schools and no child in motor transportation till eighteen years of age.
 

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My plan gives law enforcement, schools, mental health professionals, and the public health community some of the tools they need to help reduce gun violence. These tools include strengthening the background check system, helping schools hire more resource officers and counselors and develop emergency preparedness plans, and ensuring mental health professionals know their options for reporting threats of violence. And I directed the Centers for Disease Control to study the best ways to reduce gun violence—because it is critical that we understand the science behind this public health crisis.

I like these proposals, supported em from the get-go...still wishy-washy on the UBC, have yet to see concrete data on what if anything this would accomplish. Totally opposed to banning anything, sounds like that is off the table for now. So what's bad about cops in schools and emergency preparedness planning?
 

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The ADA states the 26.2 % of the population has some mental disorder but only 2% qualified for ADA.Would these 26.2% of Americans be banned from owning firearms right off the bat.
 

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...So what's bad about cops in schools and emergency preparedness planning?

Nothing. But, that's not what this is about. If it was really about saving kids, the President would have put armed soldiers/guards/LE, etc. in the schools by now as a stop gap measure while the states and communities could hammer out long term solutions. We can deploy entire armies all over the world in a matter of hours. We can put floating cities off the shores of tsunami hit nations in 36 hrs. Don't tell me we can't do the same for endangered children in our own nation. But, it's not about the children now is it?

The bottom line is the government wants to control the sales, transfer and ownership of all firearms nationwide. Period. All these bills have been in the hearts, minds and desks of the gun control crowd for years. They are NOT in direct response to the children being killed in CT. To believe anything else is naive.
 

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Joe Biden promises more

Joe Biden promises more

http://news.yahoo.com/biden-says-gun-control-votes-only-beginning-202207218.html
Vice President Joe Biden said Wednesday the expected upcoming Senate votes on gun control are only the beginning of the White House's fight... The White House also has been pushing for limits on military-style assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, but those provisions won't be part of the Senate bill. Instead they are to be offered as amendments, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says they don't have enough support to pass. "That doesn't mean this is the end of the process. This is the beginning of the process," Biden said during a conference call organized by Mayors Against Illegal Guns pushing for the gun control measures.

 

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I'm 37 years old, I got paddled by my Dad, I got paddled in school, and my mother broke numerous wooden spoons on my butt. When I f'ed up I knew I would have to pay. I don't think enough of this younger generation has been disciplined properly, not just referring to school and movie theater shooters, I mean on the whole we are surrounded by a bunch of disrespectful teens and twenty something's. I think all of us, of all ages, got in to our fair share of trouble, and caused some grief, but there were always consequences associated with that behavior, now, I'm not so sure. Something has happened in our society, parents fear being reported by their children for normal discipline, or worse, by some nosy do gooder, and schools are more concerned with protecting "feelings" than educating and moulding the future adults of our country. When I hear about these tragic events, from Virginia Tech, to the child shot in his stroller last week, I am baffled as to how the national conversation settles on the hardware, guns, rather than the overlying issue of out of control people. We seem to be progressing towards a blameless society, humans are forgiven their bad behavior, and machines are held accountable. Sure, one could argue that without guns none of these tragedies would have happened, but that is simply irrational. A crazy, determined person could have taken as many lives with a knife in an elementary school as did lanza in Sandy Hook. This is just a spilling of my thoughts, but I am truly bewildered at the circus our media based govt has become.
 

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Nothing - - - NOTHING - - - has ever, nor will ever, stop these random acts of violence. In simple terms, they are terrorist acts, and nothing will curtail terrorism. NOTHING.

From the first Biblical reference to murder, these acts have continued throughout the centuries. Nothing this misguided government can do will alleviate such acts. Skirting the Second Amendment will only rob our citizens of the basic right of fighting terrorism and tyranny, the only reason that amendment was put into place.
 

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I'm 37 years old, I got paddled by my Dad, I got paddled in school, and my mother broke numerous wooden spoons on my butt. When I f'ed up I knew I would have to pay. I don't think enough of this younger generation has been disciplined properly, not just referring to school and movie theater shooters, I mean on the whole we are surrounded by a bunch of disrespectful teens and twenty something's. I think all of us, of all ages, got in to our fair share of trouble, and caused some grief, but there were always consequences associated with that behavior, now, I'm not so sure. Something has happened in our society, parents fear being reported by their children for normal discipline, or worse, by some nosy do gooder, and schools are more concerned with protecting "feelings" than educating and moulding the future adults of our country. When I hear about these tragic events, from Virginia Tech, to the child shot in his stroller last week, I am baffled as to how the national conversation settles on the hardware, guns, rather than the overlying issue of out of control people. We seem to be progressing towards a blameless society, humans are forgiven their bad behavior, and machines are held accountable. Sure, one could argue that without guns none of these tragedies would have happened, but that is simply irrational. A crazy, determined person could have taken as many lives with a knife in an elementary school as did lanza in Sandy Hook. This is just a spilling of my thoughts, but I am truly bewildered at the circus our media based govt has become.

I had more than a few wooden spoons busted on my butt.

If I messed up at the neighbor’s house I got spanked. When I got home I got the wooden spoon from my parents because the neighbor had to spank me.

I thank my parents every day for that wooden spoon.

I have been told by folks OCS that anything that makes your child uncomfortable can be considered child abuse.
 

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I'm 37 years old, I got paddled by my Dad, I got paddled in school, and my mother broke numerous wooden spoons on my butt. When I f'ed up I knew I would have to pay. I don't think enough of this younger generation has been disciplined properly, not just referring to school and movie theater shooters, I mean on the whole we are surrounded by a bunch of disrespectful teens and twenty something's. I think all of us, of all ages, got in to our fair share of trouble, and caused some grief, but there were always consequences associated with that behavior, now, I'm not so sure. Something has happened in our society, parents fear being reported by their children for normal discipline, or worse, by some nosy do gooder, and schools are more concerned with protecting "feelings" than educating and moulding the future adults of our country. When I hear about these tragic events, from Virginia Tech, to the child shot in his stroller last week, I am baffled as to how the national conversation settles on the hardware, guns, rather than the overlying issue of out of control people. We seem to be progressing towards a blameless society, humans are forgiven their bad behavior, and machines are held accountable. Sure, one could argue that without guns none of these tragedies would have happened, but that is simply irrational. A crazy, determined person could have taken as many lives with a knife in an elementary school as did lanza in Sandy Hook. This is just a spilling of my thoughts, but I am truly bewildered at the circus our media based govt has become.

I am not sure where you get this idea from. I teach HS and see a bunch of great, respectful kids everyday. My behavioral questions about certain students are usually answered when I meet their parents. What I do think are gone are the days when kids got into fights and were not sent directly to jail. When this happens and we have 11-12 yo kids in jail, they will not come back to school the same. This is the "failure" of our society.
 

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Nothing. But, that's not what this is about. If it was really about saving kids, the President would have put armed soldiers/guards/LE, etc. in the schools by now as a stop gap measure while the states and communities could hammer out long term solutions. We can deploy entire armies all over the world in a matter of hours. We can put floating cities off the shores of tsunami hit nations in 36 hrs. Don't tell me we can't do the same for endangered children in our own nation. But, it's not about the children now is it?

The bottom line is the government wants to control the sales, transfer and ownership of all firearms nationwide. Period. All these bills have been in the hearts, minds and desks of the gun control crowd for years. They are NOT in direct response to the children being killed in CT. To believe anything else is naive.

Snyd, you are so right!

Why is so difficult for people to understand this? Even some folks on this forum don’t seem to get this.
 

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I am not sure where you get this idea from. I teach HS and see a bunch of great, respectful kids everyday. My behavioral questions about certain students are usually answered when I meet their parents. What I do think are gone are the days when kids got into fights and were not sent directly to jail. When this happens and we have 11-12 yo kids in jail, they will not come back to school the same. This is the "failure" of our society.

Are you serious... The under 25 youth/kids of today are the most disrespectful f'd up humans on earth... Why... Because they took god and corporal punishment out of schools... I'm 45 and I got my ass blistered in school numerous times when I got out of line... That's called consequences for your actions... There is a difference between correction / punishment and abuse...

You talk about kids fighting ... Maybe the punk bully needed his nose busted.... Maybe he/she needed it kicked... What's the root cause... There punk PARENT NOT PARENTS that had no punishment for there actions in school or at home... .ever think of self defense... I teach my kids to 1. Keep your hands to yourself... 2. Don't start anything but don't take anything either... 3. Somebody wants to lay hands on you don't hesitate to finish it...

Look at the noboma reelection videos ... What do you see... <25 stoners looking for a free FONE....

this country is the laughing stock of the whole world...

You can't stop SATAN/evil with gun control.... Period....

how do you stop a guy in a theater shooting people .... With YOUR gun in YOUR shoulder holster... how do you stop a guy in a elementary school shooting people... Armed teachers... Armed principals... Armed counselors... Armed guards at the entrance... One gun in that school/theator would have stopped that evil guy... It's so simple...

YOUR TURN...
 

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We try really hard to teach our boys politeness, manners, and to respect others. We seem to be doing a good job as we get a lot of compliments on how respectful and well behaved they are.

I find it interesting that the most common thing we hear, especially from elders, is: “You must home school your boys”.
 

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Are you serious... The under 25 youth/kids of today are the most disrespectful f'd up humans on earth... Why... Because they took god and corporal punishment out of schools... I'm 45 and I got my ass blistered in school numerous times when I got out of line... That's called consequences for your actions... There is a difference between correction / punishment and abuse...

You talk about kids fighting ... Maybe the punk bully needed his nose busted.... Maybe he/she needed it kicked... What's the root cause... There punk PARENT NOT PARENTS that had no punishment for there actions in school or at home... .ever think of self defense... I teach my kids to 1. Keep your hands to yourself... 2. Don't start anything but don't take anything either... 3. Somebody wants to lay hands on you don't hesitate to finish it...

Look at the noboma reelection videos ... What do you see... <25 stoners looking for a free FONE....

this country is the laughing stock of the whole world...

You can't stop SATAN/evil with gun control.... Period....

how do you stop a guy in a theater shooting people .... With YOUR gun in YOUR shoulder holster... how do you stop a guy in a elementary school shooting people... Armed teachers... Armed principals... Armed counselors... Armed guards at the entrance... One gun in that school/theator would have stopped that evil guy... It's so simple...

YOUR TURN...

Sounds like how our kids were raised. We homeschooled from day one....when we first moved to the Yukon we thought about sending our kids to public school....then a bunch of grade 8 boys hung the principle by his feet from the basketball net.....that ended that idea. We are friends with three teachers.....they say 90% of their time is spent restoring order in the class...might not be like that everywhere but IMO it's not the best environment....an Army recruiter friend from AK says that home schooled kids typically score much higher on the ASVAB than their counter parts from the public system. If every kid was taught to defend themselves there would be less trouble with bullying........gun safety should also be taught IMHO.
 

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When I was a kid if we had a bully several of the kids that were being bullied would meet the bully out behind the backstop....end of the bullying.

And the teachers always seemed to be looking the other way........

The bully would often become a best friend.
 

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Are you serious... The under 25 youth/kids of today are the most disrespectful f'd up humans on earth... Why... Because they took god and corporal punishment out of schools... I'm 45 and I got my ass blistered in school numerous times when I got out of line... That's called consequences for your actions... There is a difference between correction / punishment and abuse...

You talk about kids fighting ... Maybe the punk bully needed his nose busted.... Maybe he/she needed it kicked... What's the root cause... There punk PARENT NOT PARENTS that had no punishment for there actions in school or at home... .ever think of self defense... I teach my kids to 1. Keep your hands to yourself... 2. Don't start anything but don't take anything either... 3. Somebody wants to lay hands on you don't hesitate to finish it...

Look at the noboma reelection videos ... What do you see... <25 stoners looking for a free FONE....

this country is the laughing stock of the whole world...

You can't stop SATAN/evil with gun control.... Period....

how do you stop a guy in a theater shooting people .... With YOUR gun in YOUR shoulder holster... how do you stop a guy in a elementary school shooting people... Armed teachers... Armed principals... Armed counselors... Armed guards at the entrance... One gun in that school/theator would have stopped that evil guy... It's so simple...

YOUR TURN...

That may be your experience in Wasilla, but not in my 20+ years teaching in several different states. Like I said, I usually only need to meet the parents in the majority of cases.

While I am very much anti-gun control, I would be cautious about arming the school faculty. That is just a problem waiting to happen. There are already teachers and administrators that can't keep their hands off of students and now you want to arm them? Not "so simple."
 
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