30 carbine for fox and coyote.

[FurFishGame]

I was wonderin what you guys thought about a 30 carbine for fox and coyotes?
i was looking at hte ballistics and it looks like its goin pretty slow, so it shouldn't have to much pelt damage, I like the idea cause the guns are cheap and the bullets are cheap and the guns are super tough.

What do you think it would do? anybody have any experiece?

Thanks!

 

[Odiebo]

I think the lack of responce might be due to lack of knowledge on this round. Since it is a military round originating in WWII there's plenty of information out there but it was combat reports and a majority of that was describing how under powered the round was. Many stories about enemy soldiers being shot 3 or 4 times and still able to fight back. I suspect some of them were exageratied but never the less there were a lot simular stories.

What I would be most concerned about, and I'm sure you would too, is hitting an animal and having it run off into cover and disappear. Hopefully someone with actual experiance with this round comes forth and either dispells or confirms these stories.

 

[sniper3083006]

Hey there FFG. Not a wole lot of experience with the round but some. When I was 12 or 13 my Dad bought a Universal M1 that thing was way cool to look at and very fun to shoot at the range although it was inaccurate as all get out (I found out how bad one day when my Uncle took me out without my Dad and showed me and tought me the real difference of what a rifle should do). I carried it around the woods of Missouri about 2 years deer hunting before Dad got me a Marlin 336 30-30.
I do know there are more accurate samples out there such as National postal Meter and a few others. If a person were to reload with good bullets (if there are any made) and get that caliber in say a T/C Contender or something other than a Universal I thing it could have some potential for a 100 yrd round but why when there are many better options out there.

 

[FurFishGame]

Hey there FFG. Not a wole lot of experience with the round but some. When I was 12 or 13 my Dad bought a Universal M1 that thing was way cool to look at and very fun to shoot at the range although it was inaccurate as all get out (I found out how bad one day when my Uncle took me out without my Dad and showed me and tought me the real difference of what a rifle should do). I carried it around the woods of Missouri about 2 years deer hunting before Dad got me a Marlin 336 30-30.
I do know there are more accurate samples out there such as National postal Meter and a few others. If a person were to reload with good bullets (if there are any made) and get that caliber in say a T/C Contender or something other than a Universal I thing it could have some potential for a 100 yrd round but why when there are many better options out there.

Why? cause thay are cool and tough as all get out.

how did they do on deer?

 

[sniper3083006]

Dad has always been on the cheap side so the only rounds he bought for it were FMJ so if you didnt hit the deer just right it was inadequate, with that rifle the deer had better of been inside 50 yrds to hit it right. You need to understand the theory of a battle rifle from back in the day I.E. WWII the assault rifles only had to meet certain criteria to be pushed into service and most systems only had to put X amount of rounds into X size target area. See where this is going. Then figure in all the cheap copies of said rifle, If you find a good WWII sample National Postal Meter, Saginaw and such you will pay a good little chunk of cash. I think I would rather spend that money on a Mini 14 or something other then the M1. It would be a super fun range rifle but I think there are better rifles/calibers for your intended purpose. Heck didnt you post about bunny hunting with your science teacher using a .22 mag? I would look for a .22 mag in a semi auto say a Rem 597 or ruger 10/22 WMR and get a 10 round or 30 round magazine depending on wether I was using it for hunting or range work.

 

[FurFishGame]

Dad has always been on the cheap side so the only rounds he bought for it were FMJ so if you didnt hit the deer just right it was inadequate, with that rifle the deer had better of been inside 50 yrds to hit it right. You need to understand the theory of a battle rifle from back in the day I.E. WWII the assault rifles only had to meet certain criteria to be pushed into service and most systems only had to put X amount of rounds into X size target area. See where this is going. Then figure in all the cheap copies of said rifle, If you find a good WWII sample National Postal Meter, Saginaw and such you will pay a good little chunk of cash. I think I would rather spend that money on a Mini 14 or something other then the M1. It would be a super fun range rifle but I think there are better rifles/calibers for your intended purpose. Heck didnt you post about bunny hunting with your science teacher using a .22 mag? I would look for a .22 mag in a semi auto say a Rem 597 or ruger 10/22 WMR and get a 10 round or 30 round magazine depending on wether I was using it for hunting or range work.

Nope, I didn't take my teacher hunting, my teacher is my mom....well, actually my self, but mom helps once or twice a week if she gets the urge, and she most defiantly would NOT go hunting with me.....

 

[hodgeman]

I've shot the 30 carbine in a couple of M1 rifles and one very optimistically chambered handgun. None were particularly good shooters and none would be my first choice (or second, third, fourth, etc) for predators. For the money and hassle you'll expend you can do much, much better.

The scads of cheap 30 carbine ammo are about dried up as well and the popularity of this round is fading too.

If you need to press something odd into service a 12 ga shooting "T" shot with a full choke will kill fox and coyote to surprising distances- probably farther than I could hit one with a M1...

 

[sniper3083006]

Sorry about that FFG. I went back to small game and saw it was joefish, you just said sweet man LOL. AnyhowI hope I didn't offend you in anyway.
Honestly if you want one I seriously suggest using it only as a range rifle if you like it after that try it out but please remeber the 100 yrd ideal range. Heck do a search something like 30 cal M1 carbine reviews or 30 carbine reviews and see what many others have to say. Just trying to shoot you some straight info.
Thanks Hodgeman, I rather see/help a fellow spend wisely then have to take a loss after the realization of the mistake.

 

[hodgeman]

As just another topic of conversation... remember that the M1 Carbine was developed as a replacement for a handgun to provide "non combat" troops (truck drivers, equipment operators, signal corp folks, etc) with a light weapon that they had some moderate chance of hitting something with, rather than a 1911 pistol. Its been a long subject of debate whether they achieved those ends or not-most folks of the day either wanted the more convenient handgun or the more effective rifle, depending on their personal bent and likely distance to the enemy....

Out to handgun ranges the M1 Carbine is quick to get into action...at ranges get over 75 yards the probability of a hit gets lower. Neither of mine would reliably group 10-12" at 100yds from a benchrest. The sights are pretty coarse for precision shooting and its nearly impossible to scope- not that I think it mattered much on either of my worn out examples.

For lots less cash you could get a .22 Magnum with a scope and be loads better off or even a single shot .223 or 22 Hornet for than matter. If I were getting a fur rifle for fox and coyote with just a little money to spend and even less for ammo you could do a lot worse than the .22 Mag.

 

[FurFishGame]

Nw you didn't offend me none.

Thanks for all teh advise, I'm leaning towards a 22 mag, but somebody mentioned a 30 carbine, and it got me thinkin. Anyway, thanks!

 

[sea_goin_dude]

humm here's my 2cent worth. I have a 30 cal ruger black hawk handgun and it shoots great. Not much kick and a nail driver at 25 yards. Power about like a 38 special. Remember that everybody that had a machine shop made these rifles during the war. From sewing machines, vending machines, bicycle makers, so there are a lot of them out there and pretty cheap too. Id go with something like a .223. The .22mag is ok but I reload and you can't reload the .22mag. They are expensive to not be reloadable. One of the .22 center fires should do a good job for you and give you plenty of range, power etc. I would stay away from the .22mag for the reason i gave. Unless you already have one or get a SUPER deal from a friend etc I'd forego the 22 mag. I do shoot magnum handguns and if you are pretty or REALLY GOOD with a handgun, it would be much easier to carry than a long gun. Out to at least 50 yards a handgun is great or furthur if you are a marksman You can get a .223 or .222 in a handgun too so look around and do some trial shooting. Handguns are very expensive now so a rifle would be less bucks even with a scope. good shooting. PS guys handguns are as accurate as you are so with some practice at the range you can save a lot of weight lugging around a long gun. YOu can put scopes on em too. :-(

 

[mainer_in_ak]

humm here's my 2cent worth. I have a 30 cal ruger black hawk handgun and it shoots great. Not much kick and a nail driver at 25 yards. Power about like a 38 special. Remember that everybody that had a machine shop made these rifles during the war. From sewing machines, vending machines, bicycle makers, so there are a lot of them out there and pretty cheap too. Id go with something like a .223. The .22mag is ok but I reload and you can't reload the .22mag. They are expensive to not be reloadable. One of the .22 center fires should do a good job for you and give you plenty of range, power etc. I would stay away from the .22mag for the reason i gave. Unless you already have one or get a SUPER deal from a friend etc I'd forego the 22 mag. I do shoot magnum handguns and if you are pretty or REALLY GOOD with a handgun, it would be much easier to carry than a long gun. Out to at least 50 yards a handgun is great or furthur if you are a marksman You can get a .223 or .222 in a handgun too so look around and do some trial shooting. Handguns are very expensive now so a rifle would be less bucks even with a scope. good shooting. PS guys handguns are as accurate as you are so with some practice at the range you can save a lot of weight lugging around a long gun. YOu can put scopes on em too. :-(

I disagree with everything you stated about the 22mag. I shot a small white tail buck with mine (one shot instant kill), coyotes, fox, grouse, ptarmigan, rabbits and beaver. When beaver is in season, this is my rifle of choice for meat. I too reload because I shoot cartridges that don't have much factory ammo options, but I don't need to reload for the 22 mag and the bullets aren't expensive at all. With FMJ's the 22 magnum will punch through two pieces of thick plywood and two layers of cardboard. $12.00 for a box of 50 might be expensive for others, but I think that it's a ridiculous claim. Surplus 30 carbine brass is getting scarce and the available new brass isn't cheap. For a set of Dies, bullets, and enough brass to feed a 30 carbine, I'd have enough money for over 350 rounds of 22 mag. That would be enough for three trapping seasons, three small game hunting seasons, and occasional plinking. As far as lugging around a long-gun, my little Henry weighs 5.5 lbs, and I wish it weighed more. I would stay away from a 30 carbine and go for a 22 mag any day of the week.

After a decade shooting a 223 ruger model 77 with a vari x ll leupold, and two 17 HMR's, I sold em to purposely go back to the 22 magnum. I'm glad I did.

 

[sea_goin_dude]

Not a problem, your money your choice.