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    I did read your response about your dad's hunt, and I feel bad for him and wish he would have had that opportunity granted to him at a later date. I don't know if we are talking about apples to apples with the scenario, but it is similar.
    The repercussions may not have anything to do with Fish and Game, but Fish and Game regulates the hunt. Like once you get to Kodiak you have to go to their office and pick up the tag. Once your done if successful you have to go to their office to have it sealed. This virus is effecting them and everyone else in the world weather we like it or not. I'm not worried about the money aspect as I understand **** happens in life.
    I think we are actually on more of the similar wavelength of thinking after I read this, "Now if the hunt was cancelled just a couple weeks before hand by the BOG or ADF&G then I would say that they should try to make things right somehow with another tag or ????" This is exactly what I am talking about. I am going under ALL circumstances unless the Fish and Game shuts the tags to all of Kodiak down, and if there is a travel ban to the island I feel that will be their response considering all the people involved. I am a small piece of the pie as a resident hunter, but with all the NR money coming in the Fish and Game has to make a statement one way or the other.
    I'm not asking for anything other than the "opportunity" I was granted when I checked the draw results and saw the word "yes". I feel that this unforeseen circumstances could lead to that opportunity not being granted, and therefore would have the right to that Opportunity at a later date.
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    Yup my loss at that point!
    Did you read my post on my dad's 2001 9/11 missed hunt opportunity?
    This virus and it's repercussions have NOTHING to do with ADF&G and/or the BOG.
    I feel for you as you paid money you may not get back. Such is life.
    Now if the hunt was cancelled just a couple weeks before hand by the BOG or ADF&G then I would say that they should try to make things right somehow with another tag or ????
    But again neither of those two agencies had anything to do with Covid19 and/or it's repercussions.

    My comments on my mortgage were in response to the statements that the BOG should do what they can to help the guide industry during all of this. Which I feel is not their responsibility anymore so than it's the states job to pay my mortgage.
    Every little bit helps right now missing work and all and I would cash a stimulus check from the state or feds. But I'm not budgeting for it until I actually receive it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluehawk View Post
    I did read your response about your dad's hunt, and I feel bad for him and wish he would have had that opportunity granted to him at a later date. I don't know if we are talking about apples to apples with the scenario, but it is similar.
    The repercussions may not have anything to do with Fish and Game, but Fish and Game regulates the hunt. Like once you get to Kodiak you have to go to their office and pick up the tag. Once your done if successful you have to go to their office to have it sealed. This virus is effecting them and everyone else in the world weather we like it or not. I'm not worried about the money aspect as I understand **** happens in life.
    I think we are actually on more of the similar wavelength of thinking after I read this, "Now if the hunt was cancelled just a couple weeks before hand by the BOG or ADF&G then I would say that they should try to make things right somehow with another tag or ????" This is exactly what I am talking about. I am going under ALL circumstances unless the Fish and Game shuts the tags to all of Kodiak down, and if there is a travel ban to the island I feel that will be their response considering all the people involved. I am a small piece of the pie as a resident hunter, but with all the NR money coming in the Fish and Game has to make a statement one way or the other.
    I'm not asking for anything other than the "opportunity" I was granted when I checked the draw results and saw the word "yes". I feel that this unforeseen circumstances could lead to that opportunity not being granted, and therefore would have the right to that Opportunity at a later date.
    If they(ADF&G or the BOG) actually cancel your hunt then I'm ok with reissuing tags for a later date.
    But if it's strictly Covid19 that causes you to not be able to do the hunt then I'm of the opinion that your just SOL.
    Yes Covid19 is having an effect on ADF&G.
    But that's out of their control.
    They can't control the weather either or deadly world-wide viruses!
    And if they reissue your tag for next year how many guys are getting screwed because of the lost opportunity to apply the following year?
    What's next a guy breaks his leg so needs his tag changed to next year? Mom dies needs tag changed? Lost his job needs tag changed? Kid got sick needs tag changed? Weather was bad...? Plane broke ....?
    I could go on and on.
    It is the job of the BOG to give you the opportunity. Meaning provide as many tags for the hunt as possible while protecting the overall game population.
    Beyond that it's out of their hands.
    OK back to bullet casting for me......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluehawk View Post
    I am going under ALL circumstances unless the Fish and Game shuts the tags to all of Kodiak down, and if there is a travel ban to the island I feel that will be their response considering all the people involved.
    If you come down with covid you are still going? Have you told anyone other than the internet this information? There are travel restrictions in place if you are coming from a community with covid to a rural part of the state, are you saying that "under ALL circumstances" you are willing to jeopardize the lives of not just yourself, but your fellow Alaskans just for your chance to shoot a brown bear?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patsfan54 View Post
    If you come down with covid you are still going? Have you told anyone other than the internet this information? There are travel restrictions in place if you are coming from a community with covid to a rural part of the state, are you saying that "under ALL circumstances" you are willing to jeopardize the lives of not just yourself, but your fellow Alaskans just for your chance to shoot a brown bear?
    Good lord Patsfan,
    I know Brady left, but thats pretty irrational and extreme comment coming from you. The ALL circumstances in my comment was about if I am allowed to go I will be going. I do not have Covid that I know of. I haven't left my house in 7 days. I actually follow the recommendations very closely.

    To answer your questions, I am a law abiding citizen so I will be following what the mandates are put in place. Kind of the point of this entire thread really. If I am not allowed to go due to government mandates I am not able to go. Again, the point of this thread.
    At the time of this thread starting, my buddy reached out wondering if anyone else was in the same boat and peoples thoughts. That's it.
    You took it to me now jeopardizing other Alaskans just to shoot a Brown Bear. I hope you haven't left your house in the past two weeks. I wouldn't want you jeopardizing fellow Alaskans going anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kasilofchrisn View Post
    If they(ADF&G or the BOG) actually cancel your hunt then I'm ok with reissuing tags for a later date.
    But if it's strictly Covid19 that causes you to not be able to do the hunt then I'm of the opinion that your just SOL.
    Yes Covid19 is having an effect on ADF&G.
    But that's out of their control.
    They can't control the weather either or deadly world-wide viruses!
    And if they reissue your tag for next year how many guys are getting screwed because of the lost opportunity to apply the following year?
    What's next a guy breaks his leg so needs his tag changed to next year? Mom dies needs tag changed? Lost his job needs tag changed? Kid got sick needs tag changed? Weather was bad...? Plane broke ....?
    I could go on and on.
    It is the job of the BOG to give you the opportunity. Meaning provide as many tags for the hunt as possible while protecting the overall game population.
    Beyond that it's out of their hands.
    OK back to bullet casting for me......

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    I understand where you are coming from and respect that opinion. I see where it could lead to the whats next theory.
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    "And if they reissue your tag for next year how many guys are getting screwed because of the lost opportunity to apply the following year?'
    I understand your thinking here, but look at it this way all the people that applied in the fall of 2018 are getting screwed because they lost the opportunity. So if its not ok to screw the guys out in the fall of 2020 who are applying why is it ok to screw the guys that applied in the fall of 2018?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluehawk View Post
    Good lord Patsfan,
    I know Brady left, but thats pretty irrational and extreme comment coming from you. The ALL circumstances in my comment was about if I am allowed to go I will be going. I do not have Covid that I know of. I haven't left my house in 7 days. I actually follow the recommendations very closely.

    To answer your questions, I am a law abiding citizen so I will be following what the mandates are put in place. Kind of the point of this entire thread really. If I am not allowed to go due to government mandates I am not able to go. Again, the point of this thread.
    At the time of this thread starting, my buddy reached out wondering if anyone else was in the same boat and peoples thoughts. That's it.
    You took it to me now jeopardizing other Alaskans just to shoot a Brown Bear. I hope you haven't left your house in the past two weeks. I wouldn't want you jeopardizing fellow Alaskans going anywhere.
    I'm glad to hear that you won't be going "under ALL circumstances" as you previously said. I know people out there and I'm sorry if you are offended that I would question your definitive all caps statement, but if you put people at risk needlessly then you should be questioned.

    I'm following all of the guidelines and mandates set forth, and then some. Thanks for your concern for my impact on other Alaskans.
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    [QUOTE=Patsfan54;1679614] I know people out there and I'm sorry if you are offended that I would question your definitive all caps statement, but if you put people at risk needlessly then you should be questioned.

    I'm following all of the guidelines and mandates set forth, and then some. Thanks for your concern for my impact on other Alaskans.
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    I don't know what people out there you are referring too. I am the least bit offended. I thought it was comical you came into a conversation between a couple guys to throw some nonsense into it. I know you will defend yourself like you always do, but most reading this will read your comment about me putting fellow Alaskans at risk over a Brown Bear to be a tad bit silly and extreme.
    I usually think you have some good contributing things to the forum, but tonight unfortunately you do not.

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    6 days, or so, until Kodiak opens. My guess, no season change and residents that are able can go hunt. To close now for them to make such a drastic change that ultimately foils so many peoples plans. IF air taxis are allowed to fly and Kodiak (or the state, country) doesn't implement some type of quarantine (or stop movement) for incoming (in-state) passengers on aircraft, I bet seasons go on without a change. Though, any military member that drew will be SOL since they cannot fly or travel very far (even domestic).

    Right or wrong, it may be the best course of action. I thought about this long and hard today, many people and professions are being hampered by this so why is it right to make amends in order to appease or lessen the blow to one industry while potentially worsening the blow to others. (and yes, I realize the nation wide bailout/stimulus does nearly exactly that)

    Hopefully those with a permit are able to get afield and enjoy one of the greatest hunts on earth and I wish you all the best!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluehawk View Post
    I understand your thinking here, but look at it this way all the people that applied in the fall of 2018 are getting screwed because they lost the opportunity. So if its not ok to screw the guys out in the fall of 2020 who are applying why is it ok to screw the guys that applied in the fall of 2018?
    Fair enough point.
    Let's hope you don't get stuck afield like so many hunters did on/after 9/11.
    Hopefully they can get you out before any no fly rules take effect if they were to occur.

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    The decision will come down tomorrow. The board of game, commissioner, lawyers, governor and stake holders all had input into meetings the last 2 days. Unanswered questions arose that needed to be understood for final determination.

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    [QUOTE=Bluehawk;1679615]
    Quote Originally Posted by Patsfan54 View Post
    I know people out there and I'm sorry if you are offended that I would question your definitive all caps statement, but if you put people at risk needlessly then you should be questioned.

    I'm following all of the guidelines and mandates set forth, and then some. Thanks for your concern for my impact on other Alaskans.
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    I don't know what people out there you are referring too. I am the least bit offended. I thought it was comical you came into a conversation between a couple guys to throw some nonsense into it. I know you will defend yourself like you always do, but most reading this will read your comment about me putting fellow Alaskans at risk over a Brown Bear to be a tad bit silly and extreme.
    I usually think you have some good contributing things to the forum, but tonight unfortunately you do not.

    It's all good man, as long as you aren't going "under ALL circumstances". Hopefully it works out for you one way or the other.
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    Will numbers rising like they are id guess it’s gonna get shut down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRWNBR View Post
    Will numbers rising like they are id guess it’s gonna get shut down.
    Not directly fish and game but Kodiak EOC announces they are ready for fisherman and hunters to arrive in town. They had about a 10 minutes release today that spoke about numerous issues. I still wouldn’t be suprised at all I’d the state shuts it down though.


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    What happens if your out on your remote fly out hunt and we go into a full lockdown situation like they did in Italy?
    Will they be allowed to fly out and pick people up?
    I heard a lot of guys got stuck an extra week in the field during 9/11.

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    There is already a quarantine requirement for anyone flying into the State. How do you quarantine and fly out to your hunting destination? A resident could still do the hunt, no way an out-of-State hunter could pull that off...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kasilofchrisn View Post
    What happens if your out on your remote fly out hunt and we go into a full lockdown situation like they did in Italy?
    Will they be allowed to fly out and pick people up?
    I heard a lot of guys got stuck an extra week in the field during 9/11.

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    I was flying when 9/11 hit, we were grounded for three days, while they shut the US Airspace down. We were allowed to do charters after that. No scheduled flights were allowed for a week or so. You had to start using a discreet transponder code after that. The guys who were out in their private planes hunting and totally clueless about the terrorist attacks, were surprised when the fighter escorts showed up...

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    No decision today. ADFG IS having another meeting on this coming Tuesday with the Board of Game.

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    No intrastate travel. They will move at least the spring permits. Only right thing to do.
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    Spring Kodiak permits will not change. What if you drew and had your own plane? I know, few will fit that bill, but they won't change Kodiak on opening day.

    Spring Pen, will likely change.

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    Disagree. Non essential travel shut down. If that doesn’t include private air transport, then its useless. Roll the spring Kodiaks.
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