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  • #31
    Originally posted by AlaskaHippie View Post
    "Reasonable" "Affordable"

    Great terms, with no definition.

    Generally folks using those terms are looking for the cheapest way in, and out, with no ability or desire to leave anything but a few pinched pennies behind. They won't boost the economy, they'll look for ways to not spend money, as evidenced by the OP.

    As to your repeated term "Hobby Guides", in a lifetime spent here, I've not encountered one. I have encountered Craigslist Guides, generally referred to as Pirate Guides, who don't want to sign contracts/guide agreements, as a paper trail is something they've no desire to leave.....
    Whoa Nellie..
    Price was never mentioned. Please re-read my original post.

    While you're at it, have a look down in the work wanted area and tell me what you see.

    I'll save you the time.. Here's the link.
    http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/...ring-bear-work

    ( No disrespect Mike.. That link is germane to the discussion no matter how distasteful some may find it so please don't delete it)

    I'm exploring the possibility. Yes there is a right way and a wrong way to do everything.. There's the cheapskate potential felon way, and a legal way.

    To echo Mike's statement, lets try to stay on topic.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Justin View Post
      None of this makes any sense. A registered guides lic, is $850 if he is a resident ($1700 NR), liability insurance is about $1,000, Fees for GUA $50, Fees for each hunt record is $50 x 2 (AND MUST BE FILED), and on and on and on! Before a contracting guide even takes one hunter out the cost is larger than numbers tossed so far. Good luck in finding a "Hobby Guide" that wants to work for less than 10K on a 10 day hunt.
      Is this a verified/know amount? If so, it's less than half the price of a quality hunt in a quality area.

      Economics cannot be dismissed when planning a hunt whether you're a resident or non resident. Is that a fair statement?
      *disclaimer. I am not trying to argue with anyone. Please try to keep on topic.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Fishhuntster View Post
        Is this a verified/know amount? If so, it's less than half the price of a quality hunt in a quality area.

        Economics cannot be dismissed when planning a hunt whether you're a resident or non resident. Is that a fair statement?
        *disclaimer. I am not trying to argue with anyone. Please try to keep on topic.
        Bottom line is what you are looking for isn't going to happen.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by BRWNBR View Post
          i'm not even sure what to say to that..i read it like five times and each time i....i just don't know what to say....

          figured it out...that sounds just like someone who don't spend any time actually out hunting. sounds like a desk opinion. no offense meant, but thats what it sounds like, politics, not reality.
          not sure what your version of reality could be if you think the guiding industry in AK is somehow not married to politics lol

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Fishhuntster View Post
            Is this a verified/know amount? If so, it's less than half the price of a quality hunt in a quality area.

            Economics cannot be dismissed when planning a hunt whether you're a resident or non resident. Is that a fair statement?
            *disclaimer. I am not trying to argue with anyone. Please try to keep on topic.
            guide licensing fees are biannual fees the rest of the list is accurate

            Btw-the guide board is 1million or more in debt to the state and the deficit continue...but that's a political issue

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Fishhuntster View Post
              Whoa Nellie..
              Price was never mentioned. Please re-read my original post.

              Fair enough, but in one of your subsequent posts....

              "As of now, the retail on quality bear hunts is nowhere in the budget. As for myself, I may just move to Ak for a couple of years and do it myself."


              Originally posted by Fishhuntster
              While you're at it, have a look down in the work wanted area and tell me what you see.

              I'll save you the time.. Here's the link.
              http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/...ring-bear-work

              ( No disrespect Mike.. That link is germane to the discussion no matter how distasteful some may find it so please don't delete it)
              Okay, and?

              A registered guide looking to pick up a few Spring Hunts. Aside from that what else is known? Does he guide other parts of the year and just has an open window? Looking to expand his hunt areas/experience? Did you contact him for prices?

              Originally posted by Fishhuntster
              I'm exploring the possibility. Yes there is a right way and a wrong way to do everything.. There's the cheapskate potential felon way, and a legal way.
              I absolutely wish you the best of luck in making this work, you've gotten a lot of great replies here. You are also correct, there is a correct way, and the cheapskate, potential felon way.

              Anyone who offers to guide you, with little notice, for a significant discount, needs to be vetted thoroughly and completely...
              “Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously.” ― H.S.T.
              "Character is how you treat those who can do nothing for you."

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              • #37
                I think the cheapest Brown Bear hunt I have seen is 12K and the most 32K. I just tossed out 10days for 10K as a possible rock bottom number.

                Just because you decide to book the 32K hunt doesn't mean its a better area, better guides, better gear, or better experience. If you choose to hire a guide I advise doing your homework, shop around, and ask questions. Some real used car salesman out in the guiding industry. Buyer beware. Good luck on your bear hunt planning.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by tsunami View Post
                  not sure what your version of reality could be if you think the guiding industry in AK is somehow not married to politics lol
                  didn't say it wasn't. did say your post sounded like politics and not like a opinion based off what the ramifications of your thread would be from a "in-field" perspective. also added i wasn't trying to come off offensive and finger pointy, just relating what it sounded like. no reflection intended on you as an individual.

                  OP, the link to the guide looking for spring hunters, is a guy looking for a job working for another outfitter, not someone looking to book clients.

                  maybe you could break down what your really thinking on this bear deal so we all have a better handle on whats doable for you and whats not? i know most of the guides in unit 6, have guided for several off them, went to grade school with some of the others.
                  Www.blackriverhunting.com
                  Master guide 212

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Fishhuntster View Post
                    Hi. There's two of us (non-residents) who have a place to hunt and are looking at the possibility of doing a spring Brown bear hunt some time in the near future.
                    Typically, what could one expect from a price point for hiring just a guide?
                    The area is a fly in and is a S.E. of Anchorage. Two of us have fished here many times over the last 20 years and have experience in hunting Alaska having done drop caribou, and moose hunts (successfully). We know the area, and there are wheelers and some other things that would be at our fingertips.
                    Any idea's on what to expect cost wise assuming we could find someone available and willing..roughly? We're just kicking the idea around for now. Thank you.
                    Originally posted by Michael Strahan View Post
                    You're really asking someone to sign off on a hunt you intend to run yourself, in exchange for a little cash. You may not know that a hunt contract has to be involved, guide insurance, land use permits, etc. I can't imagine anyone opening themselves up for that kind of liability under those circumstances. If something illegal happens on that hunt, including the paperwork, your "guide" is on the hook for it. And (not that you would do this, but it happens) if something illegal happened and the trophy was transported out of the state, you and you're guide are looking at a felony. You're asking someone to assume a lot of risk here.
                    Originally posted by Fishhuntster View Post
                    Wow Mike,

                    May I suggest you go back and read my original post?

                    I stand the risk of a legal hunt from start to finish end up as a felony?
                    Really?

                    You're better than that Mike.
                    Not sure how this makes me "better" or "worse", but perhaps I should clarify.

                    I wasn't suggesting that you have any intent to break the law. Only that conducting the kind of hunt you are suggesting magnifies the consequences of any potential infractions significantly. A few examples:

                    1. You shoot a bear on lands for which the guide wasn't properly permitted.

                    2. You shoot a sow with cubs.

                    3. You don't have a hunt contract.

                    4. The guide has an expired license.

                    5. Your guide is actually an "Assistant Guide" (assistant guides cannot contract a hunt).

                    6. Misreading the regulations, you shoot a bear a day before the season opens.

                    7. You shoot a bear while your guide is somewhere else.

                    8. You fail to have the bear sealed.

                    9. Your guide fails to turn in his hunt reports.

                    10. You mistakenly shoot two bears.

                    11. You fail to leave evidence of sex.

                    12. You or your guide fail to report any illegal activity, intentional or otherwise.

                    There are many opportunities to break the law. Some are your fault, and some are your guide's fault. Some may be unintentional, or out of ignorance. All of them are, at least in some sense, your guide's responsibility. Some of these automatically become felonies when the animal is transported out of the state of Alaska (see the Lacey Act).

                    So, while I don't think you would intentionally break the law, people do make mistakes and try to cover them up. This is where it can escalate. Also, I'm pretty certain you don't know what your guide's responsibilities are. You can be charged for things he was supposed to do, which you may not even know about, under some circumstances.

                    Hope that makes sense?

                    Mike
                    Michael Strahan
                    Site Owner
                    Alaska Hunt Consultant
                    1 (907) 229-4501

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Fishhuntster View Post
                      Is this a verified/know amount? If so, it's less than half the price of a quality hunt in a quality area.
                      One of the guides posting on this thread (who is held in very high regard) offers interior grizzly hunts for 12k and Kodiak hunts for 15k. No, it's not the 10k previously mentioned, but it's not that far off.

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                      • #41
                        Well............I am looking for a gooooooood deal on a new truck. Like 1/4 of the MSRP. I might go 1/3 of MSRP if the color is right........
                        "Life Is Either a Daring Adventure or Nothing" - Helen Keller

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Brian M View Post
                          One of the guides posting on this thread (who is held in very high regard) offers interior grizzly hunts for 12k and Kodiak hunts for 15k. No, it's not the 10k previously mentioned, but it's not that far off.
                          24K for two over the counter "guided" bear hunt's is what's being discussed here. They could get it done for half or less and do it legally.

                          These two non resident hunters actually represent what is fairly common among non resident dyi hunters. Hunters who REALLY don't need and/or can not justify an over the counter bear hunt for $24,000.

                          There are about 15K non residents hunting Alaska annually (a lot of bear tag sale potential for the state there....a lot)

                          ONLY 2,500 (or about 1 out of 4) non residents hunting Alaska annually are guided.

                          Anyway, plenty of non residents hunting Alaska have been here before. Like these guys.

                          These guys (the OP) could likely get a charter in and out for three (two hunters and guide) for about the same price as as charters for two people.

                          If the OP covered the hobby guides state licensing fee ($425), the contract fees ($100.00), the guide use area fee ($50.00) and a day rate to the guide of $400.00 per day then the actual "guiding"; cost to a non resident for a 10 day guided bear hunt , is $4,575.00. Divide that $4.500 by 2 guys in this case and the EXTRA cost of a 'guided' bear hunt for each of them is a bout $2,225.00.

                          They have gear, they have experience and know there way around the Alaska logistics issues and regulations and they WANT to hunt bears.

                          Looks to me like they could whack a couple bears....bears that otherwise won't get whacked...not to mention the fact that they won't be coming here this time to kill caribou or moose. That's pretty much a win/win for resident hunters.

                          I hope the OP figures it out and I hope lot's of other non residents figure it out too so they decide to come here and kill bears maybe a few less moose and caribou die from bears thanks to non residents who think outside of the box .

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                          • #43
                            Forgot land use permits fees, transportation costs and insurance for those, food/fuel and the liability of being responsible for someone else's actions.

                            I will also add that most guide operations only net between 10-35 percent of their sticker price on a hunt. So figure that in when you figure a "doable" rate that someone should be able to swing. It's not as simple as it appears.

                            It was mention that those non res won't be here whacking moose/caribou at the same
                            Time. I think you'd see a lot more coming up in the fall for more of a grab bag experience. Spring bear might not be as attractive as you might think.
                            Www.blackriverhunting.com
                            Master guide 212

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by tsunami View Post
                              The dudes are obviously seeking out a 'hobby guide' and there are about 300 "hobby" hunting guides registered in Alaska.

                              BTW-A hobby guide is a registered guide who normally does not sign a guide/client contract agreement. AND FYI- there are less than 25 guides in Alaska making a full time living at being hunting guides.

                              Most hobby guides probably make less than $300.00 a day in their "day jobs".

                              There are hobby guides who no doubt would be willing to take a couple weeks paid vacation time from their regular jobs to go on an all expenses paid hunting trip and guide a couple dudes for a week or so for 3 or 4 grand.
                              I don't want to step on toes, but I'm fearful that these "hobby guides" that are mentioned are all busy hunting unicorns, heffalumps and woozles. Guiding strangers for brown bear, even a tag along guiding trip, is a long ways from a vacation IMO. I know several guides (probably a few that you'd consider "hobby guides") pretty well and can't imagine that any of them can afford to spend a portion of their hunting season in such a nonchalant way.

                              I wish the OP well. There are lots of things that I'd like to do, but simply can't amass or justify the finances to accomplish. It makes me all the more grateful that I live in this great land and I'm able to pursue these animals on my own. To the OP I'll add this final thought, the move to AK is costly in a lot of ways, but it is easily among the best decisions I've ever made and I only regret that I didn't do it years earlier.
                              Foolishness is a moral category, not an intellectual one.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by 1Cor15:19 View Post
                                It makes me all the more grateful that I live in this great land and I'm able to pursue these animals on my own. To the OP I'll add this final thought, the move to AK is costly in a lot of ways, but it is easily among the best decisions I've ever made and I only regret that I didn't do it years earlier.
                                Extremely well said sir...I've lived here, hunted and fished for 30 years...and I agree with you 100%. Moving to Alaska has been the third best decision in my life. Best of luck to the OP, but be very careful...

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