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  • Mobius
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    Originally posted by Smitty of the North View Post
    I've never understood semantics too well.

    So what are you doin? Defending the ARs and WHY?

    ARs are now, so POPULAR that persecution complexes are simply NOT needed.

    We can "remain one community" if you stop acting like a Victim and accept EVERY type firearm including the ARs "on it's own merit".

    I think that most owners of ARs buy them because they are Fun and Exciting, have little recoil, and even their kids can shoot them, and hunting with them is just something they will do if the opportunity presents itself.

    I just don't think that people buy them for a hunting gun, although they are used for that. Of course, hunting is a part of the incentive for cartridges more powerful than the 223.

    I do have some reservations about using ANY 22 Centerfire for hunting larger game, but as long as the AR guys an gals, Keep the Antis POed, I won't mind.

    I'm convinced that the proliferation of the ARs is a help, rather than a hindrance to the cause. But that doesn't mean they're all some "lovers" say they are. IMO, of course.

    Hey, I'm not a "purist". I like BAs, LAs, and SSs. Pumps, and Some Autos.

    Smitty of the North
    I'm no expert, but I wonder if the reason some AR fans feel "victimized" is evidenced in the bold below.

    Originally posted by iofthetaiga View Post
    I would guess, human nature being what it is, that most guys buy them, and defend them, as a function of familiarity; attempting to adapt them to a particular post war task (such as hunting), their inappropriateness to that task notwithstanding, follows suit.
    Define inappropriate. See to me, appropriateness for a task is strictly the realm of a caliber and has little to do with the action. In the sense that it would be inappropriate to hunt large game such as bull moose with a .22 short. The action of a firearm and the shape and style of it have nothing to do with it being appropriate for a task. Modern sporting rifles are simply the next step along the path of hunting firearms. Some people choose to use msr's to hunt, some people choose to not use them. There is no appropriateness involved. Choosing the appropriate caliber/round to humanely take game is the realm of "appropriate." Don't get me wrong, I understand the point of the post. It's the little side dig that I think raises the red flag of "victim" to some. For me, it doesn't matter. I don't honestly care one rat's patootie what some one else thinks of my choices to hunt with. If the round I choose will do the job and people don't like the shape of the rifle, tough cookies.

    As to the .458 SOCOM, well it's purely my opinion that rounds like that are used when someone wants a new challenge. Some people are happy spending their entire lives shooting the same round out of the same gun using the same formula. That's awesome. Some people get tired of the same thing over and over and want something different. So enter the "boutique" rounds. Ones that aren't mainstream but offer something different. I know a guy who built a .300 blackout for hunting caribou. He's "done it all" and wanted something different for a change. He's also building a .458 SOCOM to hunt Moose for the same reason. It's less about the gun itself or even the caliber. It's about the challenge of tinkering and making something you out together work.

    Well, that's my opinions anyway. Which I know are about as valuable as a used newspaper.

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  • Nanook
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    400 gr. hard Kodiak bullet and a case full of l'il gun. It's a great hog gun also. Enough said.
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  • .338-06
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    Originally posted by Kruger View Post
    Is the 458 Socom very popular. I have not read anything on here concerning it.
    I have a Socom upper that I haven't shot yet. Lack of components is killing me. I signed up for a brass alert from Starline, got one and by the time I got to a computer (9 hours later) they were sold out.

    Steve has several customers who shoot .458 Socom. I'd buy your ammo. One shop had .458 Socom ammo, no name, no load info and wanted $80 for 20 rounds. I hope your price is better.

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  • Smitty of the North
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    Originally posted by iofthetaiga View Post
    I would guess, human nature being what it is, that most guys buy them, and defend them, as a function of familiarity; attempting to adapt them to a particular post war task (such as hunting), their inappropriateness to that task notwithstanding, follows suit.
    OK, I'll buy that for at least 20 minutes.

    Smitty of the North

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  • iofthetaiga
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    Originally posted by Smitty of the North View Post
    I think that most owners of ARs buy them because they are Fun and Exciting, have little recoil, and even their kids can shoot them, and hunting with them is just something they will do if the opportunity presents itself.
    I would guess, human nature being what it is, that most guys buy them, and defend them, as a function of familiarity; attempting to adapt them to a particular post war task (such as hunting), their inappropriateness to that task notwithstanding, follows suit.

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  • limon32
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    Originally posted by Smitty of the North View Post
    I've never understood semantics too well.

    So what are you doin? Defending the ARs and WHY?

    ARs are now, so POPULAR that persecution complexes are simply NOT needed.

    We can "remain one community" if you stop acting like a Victim and accept EVERY type firearm including the ARs "on it's own merit".

    I think that most owners of ARs buy them because they are Fun and Exciting, have little recoil, and even their kids can shoot them, and hunting with them is just something they will do if the opportunity presents itself.

    I just don't think that people buy them for a hunting gun, although they are used for that. Of course, hunting is a part of the incentive for cartridges more powerful than the 223.

    I do have some reservations about using ANY 22 Centerfire for hunting larger game, but as long as the AR guys an gals, Keep the Antis POed, I won't mind.

    I'm convinced that the proliferation of the ARs is a help, rather than a hindrance to the cause. But that doesn't mean they're all some "lovers" say they are. IMO, of course.

    Hey, I'm not a "purist". I like BAs, LAs, and SSs. Pumps, and Some Autos.

    Smitty of the North
    Ha ha ha... Your perspective is always fun to hear.

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  • Smitty of the North
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    Originally posted by limon32 View Post
    Now your getting into semantics, not that I agree or disagree. Just pointing out this is a matter of personal perspective. For instance I'd argue swapping barrels on some bolt actions is just as simple as on an AR, for someone with the right tools and knowledge, as is the case with an AR. But if you ask 10 people at the range which is easier 9 will say an AR.

    I say each has it's own merit and that's good enough. It's disappointing the purists put down the AR guys considering they are the fastest growing group of firearm owners, they also tend to be the youngest and thus the future of shooting to a large degree.

    Better that we remain one community than two that the antis can turn against each other.

    It's also worth noting that most AR owners it know bought them to hunt with or target shoot, I don't know anyone that bought one for "tactical" use.

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    I've never understood semantics too well.

    So what are you doin? Defending the ARs and WHY?

    ARs are now, so POPULAR that persecution complexes are simply NOT needed.

    We can "remain one community" if you stop acting like a Victim and accept EVERY type firearm including the ARs "on it's own merit".

    I think that most owners of ARs buy them because they are Fun and Exciting, have little recoil, and even their kids can shoot them, and hunting with them is just something they will do if the opportunity presents itself.

    I just don't think that people buy them for a hunting gun, although they are used for that. Of course, hunting is a part of the incentive for cartridges more powerful than the 223.

    I do have some reservations about using ANY 22 Centerfire for hunting larger game, but as long as the AR guys an gals, Keep the Antis POed, I won't mind.

    I'm convinced that the proliferation of the ARs is a help, rather than a hindrance to the cause. But that doesn't mean they're all some "lovers" say they are. IMO, of course.

    Hey, I'm not a "purist". I like BAs, LAs, and SSs. Pumps, and Some Autos.

    Smitty of the North

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  • Smitty of the North
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    Originally posted by Libertine View Post
    Never thought it would happen, but here it is ..... in 458 Win Mag...

    http://www.petersenshunting.com/gear...nemo-omen-458/
    Shocking.

    What a Kick to shoot that.

    Talk about jumping thorough hoops.

    There's a guy at the Soldier of Fortune Magazine website, that built a Single Shot AR just so's he could hunt with it in Africa.

    I can't copy the LINK though. I guess it is restricted in some way.

    SOTN




    SOTN

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  • limon32
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    Originally posted by Libertine View Post
    Never thought it would happen, but here it is ..... in 458 Win Mag...

    http://www.petersenshunting.com/gear...nemo-omen-458/
    Wow, I don't have near good enough job to feed that!


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  • limon32
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    Originally posted by Smitty of the North View Post
    I'm wondering why you think the ARs are more versatile than other type action rifles, the BA for example.

    BAs are chambered in many more different cartridges, and I can't think of any that couldn't be. Plus, many POWERFUL cartridges, which isn't the case with the ARs, and surely, they are of lighter weight, and simpler, and more reliable.

    There are ARs that are designed for hunting, but the primary purpose, and draw is for ("Tactical"???) usage. And, that is for obvious reasons, the cartridges that they can or cannot handle.

    Because people love their ARs, and even design cartridges exclusively for them to make them more versatile doesn't mean that they are the MOST versatile. I think they are perhaps the least versatile, design wise, anyway.

    Smitty of the North
    Now your getting into semantics, not that I agree or disagree. Just pointing out this is a matter of personal perspective. For instance I'd argue swapping barrels on some bolt actions is just as simple as on an AR, for someone with the right tools and knowledge, as is the case with an AR. But if you ask 10 people at the range which is easier 9 will say an AR.

    I say each has it's own merit and that's good enough. It's disappointing the purists put down the AR guys considering they are the fastest growing group of firearm owners, they also tend to be the youngest and thus the future of shooting to a large degree.

    Better that we remain one community than two that the antis can turn against each other.

    It's also worth noting that most AR owners it know bought them to hunt with or target shoot, I don't know anyone that bought one for "tactical" use.


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  • Libertine
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    Never thought it would happen, but here it is ..... in 458 Win Mag...

    http://www.petersenshunting.com/gear...nemo-omen-458/

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  • Smitty of the North
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    Originally posted by Lowrider View Post
    I have uppers or complete guns in just about all the common variations from the 20 Practical to the 50 Beowulf and I shoot maybe 4x the number of rounds in .5.56. but I love the 6x45 and the Grendel. The AR platform is the most versital that I know of except for maybe the TC Contender or Encore and they will shoot .22 LR if you can find ammo...what's not to like, but they probably aren't the best rifle for AK even though they can do it all with the right bullet and upper on board.
    I'm wondering why you think the ARs are more versatile than other type action rifles, the BA for example.

    BAs are chambered in many more different cartridges, and I can't think of any that couldn't be. Plus, many POWERFUL cartridges, which isn't the case with the ARs, and surely, they are of lighter weight, and simpler, and more reliable.

    There are ARs that are designed for hunting, but the primary purpose, and draw is for ("Tactical"???) usage. And, that is for obvious reasons, the cartridges that they can or cannot handle.

    Because people love their ARs, and even design cartridges exclusively for them to make them more versatile doesn't mean that they are the MOST versatile. I think they are perhaps the least versatile, design wise, anyway.

    Smitty of the North

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  • Smitty of the North
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    Originally posted by Kruger View Post
    Yes I understand that but a 30-06 is a bolt gun in 24" barrel unless your packing a M1 Garand. Apple and oranges.
    An AR is apples and oranges to most hunting rifles.

    The Rem. 750, in 30-06 is an Auto Rifle too. It's still apples and oranges, but probably weighs less, ??? and IMO, is a better choice than any attempt to make the AR powerful enough to handle BEEG, beeg game. (Which is the purpose of a lot of the new AR cartridges.)

    There is a lot of nostalgia and history associated with the 45-70, which is part of it's popularity.

    Now, if you could get a cupla 3 ALASKAN BEAR GUIDES to pack 458 SOCOMS around, Shoot a few Bears and Bisons with them, and lament the fact that Custer didn't have them, they could conceivably become a little more popular.

    Right now, it's just BLAHH.

    Smitty of the North

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  • Nitroman
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    You rarely see them for sale. Because the people who have them love them.

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  • limon32
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    Originally posted by Kruger View Post
    No, I am not trying to push the AR15 thing here or at least it's not my intent. I prefer bolt guns. But I do use the 458 Socom for wild pigs and occasionally deer. It drops deer like steel plates. I figured with the way they dispatch large hogs with great efficiency they would get some use up there with the bears as well as anything you hunt I heavy brush Especially being that the cartridge performs well in a 16" barrel. But I do understand too that if you can't get the ammo then the gun is no good.
    I think your right, it could be a great bear gun, I think the issue is it is a solution to a problem that most folks up here already have solutions to.

    I love ARs but I haven't bought a big bore upper because I already own and carry a .375h&h and a .44 mag, hard to convince the wife why I need a new bear gun!


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