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  • 375 H'n H versus 338 WM, felt recoil

    If I had a 22 LR cartridge for every time I've heard someone say that the recoil of the 375 is more pleasant than that of a 338 WM, I'd have almost and extry brick of same.

    Mathematically Speaking, a language I've yet to master, the recoil from the greater cartridge is, is MUCH greater, but the statement and at least the perception persists.

    My question is,,,,, "Is this true"???? And if so, why? Why is the statement made? Why the perception, etc. ???

    I hadda 338, but I've never fired a 375. I have fired a shootgun with heavy slugs.

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    Smitty of the North
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Smitty of the North View Post
    IMy question is,,,,, "Is this true"???? And if so, why? Why is the statement made? Why the perception, etc. ???

    I hadda 338, but I've never fired a 375. I have fired a shootgun with heavy slugs.

    Thanks
    Smitty of the North
    I'd say the perception is mostly due to the fact that .375s on average weigh an extra pound or more than the average .338. If both are fired from 8 pound rifles fewer people would make such a comment........
    Foolishness is a moral category, not an intellectual one.

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    • #3
      I've had a few samples of both. I love the .375... hate the .338.

      It's totally true the .375 has more foot-pounds of recoil than the .338...but a couple other factors come to play.

      The .375s typically come in a heavier rifle than most .338s and that absorbs some of the kick. .375 also runs low MV which means it hits slower (albeit harder) which is kind of the same thing as a 12ga or a muzzleloader. Lots of energy coming at you (comparatively) slowly.

      .338 is a lot of kick, MVs are higher and the guns are typically lighter- so even though it's less foot pounds than a .375, you feel more of it and you feel it faster.

      If you ever have the misfortune of firing a very light .375.... it has all the bad manners of the typical .338 and more energy to boot.
      "I do not deal in hypotheticals. The world, as it is, is vexing enough..." Col. Stonehill, True Grit

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      • #4
        don't have any trigger time on a 338. but my 300 kicks "faster/harder" than my 375. i believe alot of it is due to weight. the 375 is more of a push. and i enjoy shooting it more than my 300.

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        • #5
          Yeah, one would expect that the 375 would be chambered in a heavier rifle, and rifle weight, and stock fit, is always a factor in felt recoil.

          I've often heard this "perception" or "fact" justified by a difference in the quickness?? of the recoil, due to the 375 having a long sloping shoulder and the 338, a sharp shoulder. ???

          I have no idea if this is valid, but the belief that there is a difference, somewhere, is common.

          Smitty of the North
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Spdcrazy View Post
            don't have any trigger time on a 338. but my 300 kicks "faster/harder" than my 375. i believe alot of it is due to weight. the 375 is more of a push. and i enjoy shooting it more than my 300.
            Yes, I've heard that often, "A push for the 375, versus, a kick, for the 338".

            Apparently, many folks feel, they can feel a difference in the suddenness of the recoil.

            We are able to distinguish slight differences. I usta be able to tell the difference in my 280, shooting 150 grain or 165 grain FLs. It was a very lightweight rifle.

            Smitty of the North
            Walk Slow, and Drink a Lotta Water.
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            • #7
              To me its as you said the speed of the kick the 338 seems harsher, or quicker. The .300 Mags have a quick recoil also which hurts me, the 375 H&H is slower which I can react to. Or that has been my expereince.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by kk alaska View Post
                To me its as you said the speed of the kick the 338 seems harsher, or quicker. The .300 Mags have a quick recoil also which hurts me, the 375 H&H is slower which I can react to. Or that has been my expereince.
                Thanks kk:

                Does anybody HATE their 375s? Because of the recoil? Honestly, I've ran into quite a few 338 owners or former owners, who hate the 338.

                Smitty of the North
                Walk Slow, and Drink a Lotta Water.
                Has it ever occurred to you, that Nothing ever occurs to God? Adrien Rodgers.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by hodgeman View Post
                  I've had a few samples of both. I love the .375... hate the .338.

                  It's totally true the .375 has more foot-pounds of recoil than the .338...but a couple other factors come to play.

                  The .375s typically come in a heavier rifle than most .338s and that absorbs some of the kick. .375 also runs low MV which means it hits slower (albeit harder) which is kind of the same thing as a 12ga or a muzzleloader. Lots of energy coming at you (comparatively) slowly.

                  .338 is a lot of kick, MVs are higher and the guns are typically lighter- so even though it's less foot pounds than a .375, you feel more of it and you feel it faster.

                  If you ever have the misfortune of firing a very light .375.... it has all the bad manners of the typical .338 and more energy to boot.
                  Pretty much lines up with me.

                  In fact one of my 375's weighs only 7 pounds bare, the way I always shoot it. That thing pops you like crazy, to the point you don't even want to shoot it from a bench. Three fast shots with 300 grain bullets from the bench has given me brief double vision. All shooting is offhand. Make it heavier? HELL NO. It's my carry gun and a treat. My heavy rifle is a maiden's kiss in comparison, but so heavy it's just not that much fun to carry.

                  As for hating a 375? Never happened to me, even the light one. But I've hated most of the 338's I've owned or shot.
                  "Lay in the weeds and wait, and when you get your chance to say something, say something good."
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                  • #10
                    My thought is that the 338 family of cartridges are the "perfect storm" of velocity and bullet weight that generate unpleasant recoil. As has already been noted, the velocity of recoil is generally faster with the 338 over the 375 H&H ctg. And generally, but not always, the 375's are often significantly heavier rifles. All that being said, the 338's are my least favorite rifles to test fire. But I have great respect for the 338 win mag, as I have seen it perform very well down range. But I don't want to own one.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by gunbugs View Post
                      My thought is that the 338 family of cartridges are the "perfect storm" of velocity and bullet weight that generate unpleasant recoil. As has already been noted, the velocity of recoil is generally faster with the 338 over the 375 H&H ctg. And generally, but not always, the 375's are often significantly heavier rifles. All that being said, the 338's are my least favorite rifles to test fire. But I have great respect for the 338 win mag, as I have seen it perform very well down range. But I don't want to own one.
                      I agree but my least favorite to test fire are the huge African dangerous game guns that have been coming in the last couple months here . . . 500 Jefferies, 450 Ackley Mag, 458 Lott, 458 WBY on light little rifles with just irons . . . ouch man OUCH!
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                      • #12
                        Chuck Hawks recoiled table (columns are rifle weight, recoil energy, recoils velocity.


                        .338 Federal (210 at 2630)8.0 21.9 13.3
                        .338-06 A-Square (200 at 2800)8.0 23.9 13.9
                        .338-06 A-Square (250 at 2500)8.5 28.2 14.6
                        .338 Win. Mag. (200 at 2950)8.5 32.8 15.8
                        .338 Win. Mag. (225 at 2780)8.5 35.2 16.3
                        .338 Win. Mag. (250 at 2700)9.0 33.1 15.4
                        .35 Whelen (200 at 2675)8.0 22.6 13.5
                        .35 Whelen (225 at 2525)8.0 25.0 14.2
                        .35 Whelen (250 at 2400)7.5 27.9 15.5
                        .375 H&H Mag. (235 at 2700)9.0 29.5 14.5
                        .375 H&H Mag. (270 at 2690)9.0 36.1 16.1
                        .375 H&H Mag. (300 at 2530)9.0 37.3 16.3
                        .375 Dakota (300 at 2600)8.5 44.5 18.4
                        .375 Wby. Mag. (300 at 2700)10.0 47.3 17.5
                        http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

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                        • #13
                          So the HH shooting 235s has less recoil energy than WinMag shooting 225s?

                          But of course several hundred less FPS.

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                          • #14
                            Just a thought- it seems most .338 mags are scoped and I have seen an awful lot of .375's that are not. May not make sense to some, but with recoil- seems like not having to worry about scope cuts plays into it a bit. I have fired lots of rounds of heavy goose loads from strange angles and never complained about recoil (till the next day). Just my .02.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mike h View Post
                              Chuck Hawks recoiled table (columns are rifle weight, recoil energy, recoils velocity.

                              http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm
                              Now, I'm really CONFUSED.

                              Picking out loads from that group, with the SAME weight rifle, and similar velocities, the "Recoil Velocity" is MORE with the 375, (which has a 20 grain heavier bullet.)

                              375 H&H Mag. (270 at 2690) 9.0 36.1 16.1
                              338 Win. Mag. (250 at 2700) 9.0 33.1 15.4

                              While the effect MUST be there, I'm not sure now, if recoil velocity is the total explanation. OR, correctly calculates the effect.
                              Using those figures,,,,, Both the Recoil Energy, and the Recoil Velocity are greater with the 375, yet many claim they feel more PAIN from their 338s.

                              Maybe, 338s are chambered in rifles that are too light for the cartridge, and the 375s the opposite. ???? If that's not too simplistic an explanation. Remember, we're ALL Scientitists, here.

                              Smitty of the North
                              Walk Slow, and Drink a Lotta Water.
                              Has it ever occurred to you, that Nothing ever occurs to God? Adrien Rodgers.
                              You can't out-give God.

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