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  • #31
    Probably first 375 caliber cartridge made from 585HE necked down, the 375 Warlord.
    Guy did a real nice job, with what looks similiar to a Weatherby style shoulder.
    Kinda outdoes Weatherby & Cheytac. We have cases with no headstamps for wildcatters.
    First picture I got sent me today off of facebook and this one is from the great sniperforums.

    Another fellow is planning on shortening the 585HE to maybe 2.4", for use Marlins and Henrys,
    and other leverguns, redoing their 45-70s. With the belt they will have good headspace control.
    Without a rim that takes up circular space, say like our 24ga FH, but which is perfect for
    break actions like our 24ga FH in a Magtech...Ed


    • #32
      Here is picture of 375 Warlord next to our 585 case he made it from.
      He is going to make couple later necked down to 416, and 458.
      There is another guy working on doing one necked down to 357 wildcat.

      Here is a picture of our poster Biebs on AR, 585 HE, in a MPI stock.
      He used a big Enfield action, with a fancy jeweled bolt.

      We found couple other big actions for our 585, that can even feed really
      long overall length loaded cases, like 4.5" long or more, if you are
      using long pointed bullets for real long range target and hunting work.
      One is Lawton 8000 Cheytac action, and the other is Stiller Cheytac actions
      made similiar, justa newer version. Both actions come in 1.45" diameter
      and a 1.60" diameter recievers.
      And Vestals Gunsmithing in Virginia does great work, decent prices, has
      these actions and will build you fancy 585 HEs. .. He has, working with
      another guys mag box setup, setup an extra long, good working, single
      stack, center feed, magazine..He has our 585 HE reamer on hand, we have
      barrels, cases, and reloading dies..Ed


      • #33
        Here is couple different setups our guys checking for our 585HE
        in a long, Lawton Cheytac action. First laminated thumbhole stock.
        Second in a Hogue Compstock. The action can mount a scope rail
        like shown on the table in 1st picture or a receiver sight in 2nd picture.
        The scope rail is a piccatiny,. if you need long range work.

        The stocks used were wide ones for REM long actions, just add recoil
        block ahead of recoil inleting for the longer action, drill new screw hole
        Open the stock forward to original bolt hole for longer cases and mag.
        About Enfields for our case, one of my favorites, Some don't like the
        sporterizing, welding bottom metal straight. Many think straightening
        is a huge job needing special jigs, etc, Not really, just use one for a jig
        with a bolt, to weld on the straight extension, Do top weld, then cut old
        extension that is under off with a thin cutting wheel, then weld bottom.
        When we bolt the short piece on the one we are straightening, we grind
        the short slant off so the added piece lays on there flat.
        The one you cut off can be used as the top extension for the next one!!!
        Just keep on building...Ed


        • #34
          Here is picture of another neat sporterizing deal for Enfields.
          On those without rear bridge pocket welded up, we just mill down
          and shape it so debth of the pocket matches bottom section of
          weaver rail and screw or epoxy it in. Shape to drive in hole tight.
          Can use as a rear scope ring mount or mount for peep sight
          like a compact UTG sight...

          If we have a welded up Enfield rear bridge, then we can use sight
          like on this gun a guy is doing. Has a rosewood laminate stock.
          He will have it checkered, sanded, with fancy finish.

          Here is a fancy stocked 24ga FH built on a NEF, built by
          a guy in Canada. Its straight back, high comp
          stock, handles recoil great... Ed

          More about 585 BB short case for lever guns, pistols,AR Uppers,
          Work in 71s, later 1886s, Henry steel frames made for 45-70.
          One guy is putting one in single shot action set up with
          Contender style pistol grip for testing in long rifle barrel,
          to simulate pistol recoil..Be very brisk recoil in a case
          that holds 110 gr powder under a light Minie bullet
          Maybe work in a Rossi Judge with heavy barrel.
          Or rolling block rifles and pistols....Ed


          • #35
            Here is a picture from the back of a big Lawton action that
            our 585HE fits in nice. Scope rail on there is tapered
            for long range shooting.

            Here is what our wildcatter buddy is making from our
            585HE brass to see how they look and experiment with.
            He is getting reamers, dies, and gun setup first for the 375.

            In some ways big bore shotguns and rifles are sexy.
            By looking at the shape of the fire and smoke cloud....
            Thanks for picture, to the great NitroExpress Forums site.


            • #36
              A poster reading our threads said '' I'm slowly becoming a recoilapheliac''..
              That is neat term , and very glad that folks are catching the big bore fever.
              Here is a simple, yet neat peep sight we can use on the rear sporterized
              bridges of Enfields, works on other rear bridges also.Including shotguns.
              I like peep sights the best for most shooting. They also come with flat
              bottoms also for bridges and receivers that are flat on top.

              Another picture of the 585 HE one of our guys put in the MPI stock..

              On straight sided cases like our 585 HE the die set has a mouth expander
              die to make it easy to insert bullets. The die flares the mouth, but I always
              felt that doing what is really a relative relatively sharp flare, and then the slight
              roll crimping the same area of the case into a groove on the
              bullet or slug, shortens case life.
              So I just use expander plug out of the die, by hand, using just the bottom of
              of the expander plug and just push it in a little, wobble it around a small
              amount, bullet goes in ok, case mouths last longer, good for dozens of loads,
              with moderate hunting and target loads.Only takes a few seconds and less
              work that has to be done in the press ... Ed



              • #37
                 Here is video by Corlanes Sporting, Dawson Creek, BC, CAN.
                Known as, Rocky Mtn Rifles, video on Youtube of them testing our
                585 HE in a barreled action, they are building for a guy. They are
                shooting it into their big bullet trap with test load..
                Allan and Grant Swan in Australia are building 585HE for a guy,
                the second they built. First one killed the buff pictured earlier .
                AHR and Vestals will make folks here in US a 585 HE.
                Here is another view of a Lawton action big enough for 585HE..

                Here is picture of Rossi SS with 585 barrel mono-blocked into it,
                chambered for our 585 BB 2.17" case, to do testing in a light rifle
                with just pistol grip to simulate the case in pistols. Others going to
                put case in leverguns, autoloaders. We got plenty of cases Ed



                • #38
                  The style of most break actions singles aren't the greatest, that we
                  we used for 12ga FH, 10ga FH, other caliber barrels we mono-blocked
                  in them like .585" bore for 585HE and 24ga FH.. One that is close
                  to perfect that we have, is couple Magtechs we have in 24ga FH..

                  Well the guys have found one that is super strong lockup and looks
                  real nice. And has the good quality look. It comeswith 12ga light shot barrel,
                  soon be monoblocked to rifled 24ga FH, the little brother of the 585HE.

                  Told company if they did them NEF Ultra style, rifled, heavy, 12ga slug barrel,
                  for the shotgun caliber only hunters, they couldn't make them fast enough.

                  Here is picture of 585HE, In an Enfield that Bret and Darrel in Minn
                  set up with great camo finish, with nice brake job. It is in a Hogue, recoil
                  reducing, rubber coated, Compstock.Great job they did.. Ed

                  Here is picture from the rear of the Enfield we mounted the short Weaver
                  rail piece on. It is mounted in the sight pocket that the actions have;
                  Can hold scope ring or a rear peep sight like UTG makes.. Ed


                  • #39
                    We will have arrived when we have this big bore in our back yard,
                    Kind of a neat suppressor,

                    Here is folder shotgun guys set up as 24ga FH.

                    Here is another view of what we feel is a nearly perfect
                    break action. Guy is making a strong 24ga FH with it.

                    Here is picture of a 585HE MRC PH a guy set up..

                    Here is picture of our shorter 585 BB for leverguns, etc,
                    with a variety of bullets..Ed


                    • #40
                      Here is a Midland break action a guy is doing in 24ga FH.

                      Here is old catalog picture of different stuff used in old days
                      for shotgun loads. Some would be hairy in brass cases

                      Here is picture of a MN a guy is doing 585HE in..
                      It is singleshot. Redid bolt handle mounted it on the bolt
                      further bac, so the port could be lengthened for our long case.
                      Needs polishing and blueing, scope rail added.

                      Here is another picture of the Enfield with great looking stock.
                      Nice looking wood. Ed


                      • #41
                        There are guys on Castboolits forum experimenting with
                        locking on plastic bases securely on slugs.
                        Making their own front heavy ones for smoothbores.

                        Here is picture of our 585BB case next to long 585HE.

                        Here is another view of the great camo job on the
                        585HE Enfield, a top view. Ed


                        • #42
                          Here is picture of a 585HE made on a Stiller bolt action for guy in Canada.

                          It was made for the poster Spooksar on Africa Hunting and Accuratereloading,

                          by Corlanes/Rocky Mountain rifles, in Dawson Creek BC Canada, with a

                          Stiller action, Timney trigger. the stock is a blue/grey laminate. He imported

                          the barrel, cases, dies, etc.. from us, through Prophet River in Lloydminster AB.

                          That action similar to Lawton we had and neighbor got, that won the King Of The

                          2 Mile shoot at Whittington, with the 375 Lethal cartridge the neighbor made,

                          from our 585 brass. Made it full length case,.. It is big one on the right.

                          He made an 18 lb gun with McMillan target stock, a huge scope, tripod..

                          Nice thing is we don't need BMG action.

                          Here is picture of a case a Trex owner made using our 585 brass, by putting

                          a piece of 11/16 tubing ,cut a piece 2/10 of an inch long with a tube cutter chamfered

                          the cut side a bit and tapped it on the case down to the belt with the brass pipe

                          and fireformed it in the T Rex chamber.......Made a perfect fitting case.

                          Cut our brass to 3" to fit shorter trex specs. He was out of brass

                          and couldn't find more, so he invented his own. And our rim was big

                          enough so his extractor still worked ok....His original Trex case base is .685"

                          and our rim and belt on first case run, is .655" diameter, and base ahead

                          of the belt on unfired cases .631" and the brass sleave pushed up tight to the

                          belt just takes up that little difference. Ed.


                          • #43
                            We have heard that fellow big bore nut, Nathan Vale in AUS, is working

                            with Bertram in making a run of the full length 12ga From Hell cases.

                            Drawn 12ga long cases as strong as BMG brass with unbreakable rims.

                            Any wanting to get some, and get in on the run, contact Bertram

                            at the email ----- ......

                            Some more on wildcat 375 Lethal.......

                            .375 Lethal Precision Arms LLC rifle shooting prototype solid 400gr Berger bullets.

                            Mitchell built this rifle himself using a McMillan A5 Super Mag stock, Rock Creek barrel,

                            Nightforce ATACR MOA scope, Phoenix Precision Bipod, and a Lethal Precision Arms

                            muzzle brake. Lawton Action. Lethal Precision his own gunsmith shop, will make

                            these target rifles for anyone into target shooting and long range hunting..

                            Remarkably, Mitchell nailed first- and second- shot hits at the 2477-yard target,

                            a full 1.4 miles away. It is windy out there, makes shooting hard with a time limit.

                            The prototype 400 grain Berger Bullets solid was superb, (G7 BC of 0.56 at 3000 fps).

                            Here is 585 HE in an Enfield, in a Choate Heavy Varmint Stock. These are super strong.

                            The butts of these can easily be weighted. Couple guys doing them....... Ed


                            • #44
                              Here is a picture of the 12ga FH brass case that Nathan

                              Vale had Bertrams make. Next to short plastic case.

                              Here is a picture of our 585BB headstamp. Perfect lettering

                              for our case as it came from production line,.

                              I like Hogue stocks, but they aren't made for singleshots.

                              We use singleshots for our 12ga FH and 585HE.

                              Here is picture of a NEF we set up for 24ga FH and we adapted

                              a Hogue 1300 Winchester Hogue to it. Looks a lot better, and

                              handles recoil easier than factory, Butt hollow, easy to add weight,

                              Here is picture of 585 case in the Lawton bolt, and the wildcat

                              375s and others made from our cases, work in bolt also. Ed


                              • #45
                                Our friend Brian from the far north went to Africa with his 24ga FH he did in
                                a NEF break action and got 3 nice buffs with it. Good job.

                                Our 585HE, 700HE and the great 12ga FH are now in the new COTW book
                                published in Oct, now out for sale,

                                We now have our target 375 HE cartridge, made by necking down our 585 HE.
                                The others couldn't make enough 375s, so we started our own. It has different
                                shoulder taper, length, neck length, improved over the others...Got a bunch
                                guys doing it, most into the 2 mile shooting venues, We're making cases,
                                testing, reamer prints at reamer guys, we are getting guys going. The 2 mile
                                shoot last year really got the interest booming for 375 necked from our case,

                                Here's how, size and seat 375 HE, one simple die, a 1" die, no huge dies needed
                                A die we can make with resize reamer from reamer guy, a regular die body,then
                                pass on to the next guy, one reamer can make whole bunch of dies for folks.

                                I do primer work separate, not in the press. SO First with lock ring set, I size cases.

                                When coming back out of dies with case, we notice the case still well centered,
                                held straight, when it is down as far as the length of the 375 HE neck... IE
                                the sides and shoulder corner still supported tight.

                                So we put washer or another lock ring on, same thickness as neck length,
                                below original lock ring, screw down tight tight in press,

                                Dies had a 5/8 x 24 thread in top, had powder fill bushing and other stuff same thread,
                                reamed out from bottom to set bullet height, with ram, case,and bullet up,

                                After priming, loading in the powder charge, we carefully start(boat tail makes it easy)
                                bullet in case by hand, slide up in die, into holder, raise ram to to top, bullet seated
                                perfect. Die can have different thread in top as long as big enough to hold seating
                                bushing of some kind , that can be made from many items.

                                These target bullets held in by strong neck tension, no crimping needed, and notice
                                bullet point will get no marks or dents, fast, easy, no 380-500 buck special dies.
                                Bushing centering bullet on ogive is very accurate.

                                OVER 900 375HE cases piled behind presses getting done. About 600 on another
                                bench nearly ready. Small batches in shelves.And we will do more.

                                All 375 info, prints, specs, pictures, load data, etc, is public domain, worldwide,
                                for any target, hunting, etc, use..Ed


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