It looks like our government is looking at retiring the old 9mm Beretta and some Sig's. Article in Fox News said their are complaints about the 9mm requiring several shots to stop some one and the open slide on the Beretta allowing to much dirt to enter the gun and causing functioning problems. Geeze, big surprise? So sad, i wonder how many American lives were lost because of this. Open slides and 9mm ball ammo are a poor choice. I don't understand war, I thought the idea was to kill more of the enemy so they would surrender. If they are going to continue using ball ammo then they should ask Glock to build them a single stack .45 with a 5" barrel and be done with it. Fortunately most warriors use a rifle. If our government can crap out over 3 billion in a hurry to spend on illegals, we should be able to pick out a pistol in a reasonable amount of time. They should let our nations Special Operators pick the pistol and caliber, Navy Seals, Delta Force, etc. I should be in charge of this and not the politicians.
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Originally posted by pacific23 View PostSome of the men have been getting NEW 1911's does that count?
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Originally posted by .338 mag. View PostIt looks like our government is looking at retiring the old 9mm Beretta and some Sig's. Article in Fox News said their are complaints about the 9mm requiring several shots to stop some one and the open slide on the Beretta allowing to much dirt to enter the gun and causing functioning problems. Geeze, big surprise? So sad, i wonder how many American lives were lost because of this. Open slides and 9mm ball ammo are a poor choice. I don't understand war, I thought the idea was to kill more of the enemy so they would surrender. If they are going to continue using ball ammo then they should ask Glock to build them a single stack .45 with a 5" barrel and be done with it. Fortunately most warriors use a rifle. If our government can crap out over 3 billion in a hurry to spend on illegals, we should be able to pick out a pistol in a reasonable amount of time. They should let our nations Special Operators pick the pistol and caliber, Navy Seals, Delta Force, etc. I should be in charge of this and not the politicians.
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[QUOTE=. I believe one reason for going with 9mm was uniformity with NATO countries? [/QUOTE]
This is the very reason America should worry more about OUR troops instead of NATO troops! If we are the gold standard they should get in line with us. Not Nato, the UN or any other group of peoples. I hate to hear of American troops under a Soviet(or any other nations) general. Just who do you think they would set out, if the feces hits the fan? But Obama and Hill have different thoughts about this, just look at Bengazi.
Steve"The Original Point and Click Interface was a Smith & Wesson."
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Originally posted by S.B. View PostThis is the very reason America should worry more about OUR troops instead of NATO troops! If we are the gold standard they should get in line with us. Not Nato, the UN or any other group of peoples. I hate to hear of American troops under a Soviet(or any other nations) general. Just who do you think they would set out, if the feces hits the fan? But Obama and Hill have different thoughts about this, just look at Bengazi.
Steve
regardless...our our ammo size of choice isn't the greatest. Hasn't been since the 60s.
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Hopefully, whatever gets chosen, they ditch the FMJ and go with an effective bullet. I go back to the Model 10 with a FMJ 150 gr and the 1911 and an FMJ there too. A decent bullet is the answer regardless of the caliber.
Like they say...I carry a 45 'cuz they don't make a 46...althought, I've come to like a real 10mm, not the 40 S&W.Somewhere along the way I have lost the ability to act politically correct. If you should find it, please feel free to keep it.
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Originally posted by Lowrider View PostHopefully, whatever gets chosen, they ditch the FMJ and go with an effective bullet. I go back to the Model 10 with a FMJ 150 gr and the 1911 and an FMJ there too. A decent bullet is the answer regardless of the caliber.
Like they say...I carry a 45 'cuz they don't make a 46...althought, I've come to like a real 10mm, not the 40 S&W.
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Originally posted by Lowrider View PostHopefully, whatever gets chosen, they ditch the FMJOriginally posted by .338 mag. View PostOpen slides and 9mm ball ammo are a poor choice. I don't understand war, I thought the idea was to kill more of the enemy so they would surrender. If they are going to continue using ball ammo then they should ask Glock to build them a single stack .45 with a 5" barrel and be done with it. Fortunately most warriors use a rifle.
By the way, all of the military's rifle ammo is "ball" ammo, too.
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Originally posted by Amigo Will View PostThe loss of life due to the new AR's were up there for sure.
How many guys died face down in the mud in Vietnam with a cleaning rod stuffed down the barrel of their POS M-16. And, somehow, that is THE longest serving military service arm in US history. Go figure.
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Originally posted by Yukon Cornelius View PostAt the time of NATO's forming the USSR was the main threat.
regardless...our our ammo size of choice isn't the greatest. Hasn't been since the 60s.
Steve"The Original Point and Click Interface was a Smith & Wesson."
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My Springfield 1911 is my favorite pistol and the 9mm with a +p+ 127 grain hollow point is a decent hand gun combo at reasonable pistol ranges. A Glock is easier for shooters to learn, should be as reliable as a 1911 and should be lighter and cheaper. It is also warmer to the bare hand in cold weather and the big trigger area and trigger is more user friendly to a gloved shooter then a 1911. A .45 will never leave less then a .45 caliber hole, as we all know. "Special Forces/Team Guys" should always be allowed to carry what they want.
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.338, ever heard of the Versailles(sp?) treaty. in war, no hollow points allowed. Why the .45ACP, and still is, the best choice, in many opinions. Talk to combat experienced veterans not the behind the lines guys. It's been doing it for over a century. Don't listen to todays gun scribes either.
Steve"The Original Point and Click Interface was a Smith & Wesson."
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Neither the Versailles treaty nor the Geneva conventions say anything about ammo. That's an old rumor.
The Hague conventions prohibit the use of expanding ammo, but the US did not agree to that stipulation. There are several instances where US military uses expanding ammo. I carried hollowpoints in my M9, and several units use 77 gr OTM bullets in 223ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
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