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  • Trump and ANWR...

    from the ADN: https://www.adn.com/politics/2017/05...oposed-budget/

    The usual arguments pro and con, but this time we have the new factor of those that detest and despise Trump so badly they will be blindly be against anything and everything he tries to do.

    And I saw in another article where Trump is trying to cut payments to the states from off-shore oil production. Since this is Federal - not state land - now much would Alaska receive in royalties anyway? It could be that the main benefits from ANWR would be from employment and related business instead of tax revenue - something the commercial fishing industry always emphasizes.
    Living the urban lifestyle so I can pay my way and for my family's needs, and support my country. And you?
    ".. ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" JFK

  • #2
    Hey look! A thread from TVfinak about oil companies, Trump , commercial fisheries, and tax revenue! How does the rural Alaskan fit into this discussion about Alaskan resource management?

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    • #3
      Does the state get anything for putting the federal oil through the pipeline?
      Passing up shots on mergansers since 1992.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by SkinnyD View Post
        Does the state get anything for putting the federal oil through the pipeline?
        That is a really good question. One would think. Curious if any has solid answer to this question.


        Originally posted by agp View Post
        Hey look! A thread from TVfinak about oil companies, Trump , commercial fisheries, and tax revenue! How does the rural Alaskan fit into this discussion about Alaskan resource management?
        LMAO!!!:w00t:

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        • #5
          taxes and royalties..

          Alyeska Pipeline is a service company that makes no profit - it only operates the pipeline for the oil companies that own it, so we won't make any money off the pipeline directly.

          The state would get money from the income taxes on the oil companies that have the leases on the Federal Land. The Feds may - or may not - share their royalties like they do from off shore leases off the various states. There would also be money from the lease sales - I think that would all go to the feds.

          As you know, the royalties we get from Prudhoe Bay are because the oil is produced on state land; we also get taxes from the Profits the oil companies make in Alaska.

          If we start pressing for royalties on oil produced from ANWR and future offshore production we should also start pressing for taxes from fish caught off shore in Federal waters.


          Originally posted by SkinnyD View Post
          Does the state get anything for putting the federal oil through the pipeline?
          Living the urban lifestyle so I can pay my way and for my family's needs, and support my country. And you?
          ".. ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" JFK

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          • #6
            another news story..

            from CNN Money: http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/25/inve...nwr/index.html

            Note the comment about possible interest in ANWR by the oil companies:

            "But there's no guarantee the oil industry will rush up to Alaska if Congress acts. Prices are so low today that it's profitable to drill in few places in the US outside of the Permian Basin, the uber-cheap shale hotbed of Texas and New Mexico.

            Drilling in Alaska, by contrast, is notoriously difficult and expensive to navigate."
            Living the urban lifestyle so I can pay my way and for my family's needs, and support my country. And you?
            ".. ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" JFK

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            • #7
              Originally posted by agp View Post
              Hey look! A thread from TVfinak about oil companies, Trump , commercial fisheries, and tax revenue! How does the rural Alaskan fit into this discussion about Alaskan resource management?
              Pure gold. Rep sent.
              “Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously.” ― H.S.T.
              "Character is how you treat those who can do nothing for you."

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              • #8
                as always..

                Alaska's rural residents will greatly benefit as always without any real effort or sacrifice on their part.

                How many rural residents could survive without their PFDs and the benefits provided from the state's oil revenues?

                Originally posted by agp View Post
                Hey look! A thread from TVfinak about oil companies, Trump , commercial fisheries, and tax revenue! How does the rural Alaskan fit into this discussion about Alaskan resource management?
                Living the urban lifestyle so I can pay my way and for my family's needs, and support my country. And you?
                ".. ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" JFK

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tvfinak View Post
                  How many rural residents could survive without their PFDs and the benefits provided from the state's oil revenues?
                  Just as many as were surviving just fine long before big oil and the likes of your self righteous ass showed up.
                  ...he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors. ~Thomas Jefferson
                  I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief. ~Gerry Spence
                  The last thing Alaska needs is another bigot. ~member Catch It

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tvfinak View Post
                    Alaska's rural residents will greatly benefit as always without any real effort or sacrifice on their part.

                    How many rural residents could survive without their PFDs and the benefits provided from the state's oil revenues?
                    None. They need a job,
                    My child was inmate of the month at Mat-Su pre-trial Correctional facility.

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                    • #11
                      I usually try to stay out of these Alaskan vs Alaskan arguments as I have no dog in the fight! However! The amount of money that rural Alaskan gets from the Federal Government for subsidies is squat compared to the amount the midwest farmer gets from farm programs.

                      In Poweshiek County Iowa one certain farmer farms 5,000 acres. The government allowed him to put 1,000 acres in the Government Set Aside program. In which the government paid that farmer 80% of what an average yield would be for that 1,000 acres. I'll let you do the math, 1000, acres x 140 bushes per acre @ $3.00/bushel.......80% of that goes in his pocket minus maybe 10% that it takes to seed that 1,000 acres into grassland. That 10% includes the labor of $10/hr to the hired hand that planted the seed and the cost of seed and fuel. That poor farmer does have to pay taxes on that ground which he *****es about to the nth degree. In the end after all is said and done he pockets a couple hundred grand that year off of 20% of the land that he inherited from his ancestors who stole the fricking land from the Indians. He lives in a $500,000 house and drives the fanciest Ford Platinum pick up that they make with a smart ass saying on the license plate rubbing his wealth into the face of everyone that reads that plate.

                      There is a little gratification though. Those Indians whom the land was stolen from were put on a reservation outside of Tama, Iowa. They built a real fancy casino on their land. Many a friday night that rich farmer and his buddies go piss away thousands at that casino, so to a certain extent the Indians do get the last laugh. Lots of new houses popping up on the reservation and a nice new school.

                      For what it's worth Custer was a *****! He was a tough dude as long as he was fighting guns against bow and arrows however once the indians got guns too..... he lost his locks!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by elmerkeithclone View Post
                        I usually try to stay out of these Alaskan vs Alaskan arguments as I have no dog in the fight! However! The amount of money that rural Alaskan gets from the Federal Government for subsidies is squat compared to the amount the midwest farmer gets from farm programs.

                        In Poweshiek County Iowa one certain farmer farms 5,000 acres. The government allowed him to put 1,000 acres in the Government Set Aside program. In which the government paid that farmer 80% of what an average yield would be for that 1,000 acres. I'll let you do the math, 1000, acres x 140 bushes per acre @ $3.00/bushel.......80% of that goes in his pocket minus maybe 10% that it takes to seed that 1,000 acres into grassland. That 10% includes the labor of $10/hr to the hired hand that planted the seed and the cost of seed and fuel. That poor farmer does have to pay taxes on that ground which he *****es about to the nth degree. In the end after all is said and done he pockets a couple hundred grand that year off of 20% of the land that he inherited from his ancestors who stole the fricking land from the Indians. He lives in a $500,000 house and drives the fanciest Ford Platinum pick up that they make with a smart ass saying on the license plate rubbing his wealth into the face of everyone that reads that plate.

                        There is a little gratification though. Those Indians whom the land was stolen from were put on a reservation outside of Tama, Iowa. They built a real fancy casino on their land. Many a friday night that rich farmer and his buddies go piss away thousands at that casino, so to a certain extent the Indians do get the last laugh. Lots of new houses popping up on the reservation and a nice new school.

                        For what it's worth Custer was a *****! He was a tough dude as long as he was fighting guns against bow and arrows however once the indians got guns too..... he lost his locks!
                        [emoji106]

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by elmerkeithclone View Post
                          I usually try to stay out of these Alaskan vs Alaskan arguments as I have no dog in the fight! However! The amount of money that rural Alaskan gets from the Federal Government for subsidies is squat compared to the amount the midwest farmer gets from farm programs.

                          In Poweshiek County Iowa one certain farmer farms 5,000 acres. The government allowed him to put 1,000 acres in the Government Set Aside program. In which the government paid that farmer 80% of what an average yield would be for that 1,000 acres. I'll let you do the math, 1000, acres x 140 bushes per acre @ $3.00/bushel.......80% of that goes in his pocket minus maybe 10% that it takes to seed that 1,000 acres into grassland. That 10% includes the labor of $10/hr to the hired hand that planted the seed and the cost of seed and fuel. That poor farmer does have to pay taxes on that ground which he *****es about to the nth degree. In the end after all is said and done he pockets a couple hundred grand that year off of 20% of the land that he inherited from his ancestors who stole the fricking land from the Indians. He lives in a $500,000 house and drives the fanciest Ford Platinum pick up that they make with a smart ass saying on the license plate rubbing his wealth into the face of everyone that reads that plate.

                          There is a little gratification though. Those Indians whom the land was stolen from were put on a reservation outside of Tama, Iowa. They built a real fancy casino on their land. Many a friday night that rich farmer and his buddies go piss away thousands at that casino, so to a certain extent the Indians do get the last laugh. Lots of new houses popping up on the reservation and a nice new school.

                          For what it's worth Custer was a *****! He was a tough dude as long as he was fighting guns against bow and arrows however once the indians got guns too..... he lost his locks!
                          To set the record straight on Gen Custer, he was a tough dude fighting soldiers wearing grey and butternut colored uniforms from 1861-1865. He was at First Bull Run, the Peninsular Campaign, Gettysburg, (where he prevented Jeb Stuart from reinforcing Pickett`s Charge), and running down what was left of the Confederate Army at Appomattox. A Brigadier General at age 23. Actually, he was quite the genuine hero during the Civil War.
                          Paying farmers not to farm is a symptom of a nation-wide problem of wasteful spending. One dumb act does not justify another.
                          My child was inmate of the month at Mat-Su pre-trial Correctional facility.

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                          • #14
                            [QUOTE=Mkay;1595227]To set the record straight on Gen Custer, he was a tough dude fighting soldiers wearing grey and butternut colored uniforms from 1861-1865. He was at First Bull Run, the Peninsular Campaign, Gettysburg, (where he prevented Jeb Stuart from reinforcing Pickett`s Charge), and running down what was left of the Confederate Army at Appomattox. A Brigadier General at age 23. Actually, he was quite the genuine hero during the Civil War.
                            Paying farmers not to farm is a symptom of a nation-wide problem of wasteful spending. One dumb act does not justify another.[/QUOTE


                            Yup both dumb acts and nothing I said was trying to justify anything. Just putting into perspective how wasteful it is here too.

                            The south was already defeated when Custer butchered hapless Confederates as they tried to retreat. Hundreds of accounts of Union aggression after white flags were waved! Same mindset carried over into Indian wars.

                            What Custer did during the Civil war was heroic in the eyes of the Yanks but was barbaric in the eyes of south. Two sides to every war. The winning side gets to dictate in the history books who the heros were! The southern soldier's diarys paint a different account.

                            The only heros from this side were certain regiments of the Buffalo Soldiers.

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                            • #15
                              [QUOTE=elmerkeithclone;1595242]
                              Originally posted by Mkay View Post
                              To set the record straight on Gen Custer, he was a tough dude fighting soldiers wearing grey and butternut colored uniforms from 1861-1865. He was at First Bull Run, the Peninsular Campaign, Gettysburg, (where he prevented Jeb Stuart from reinforcing Pickett`s Charge), and running down what was left of the Confederate Army at Appomattox. A Brigadier General at age 23. Actually, he was quite the genuine hero during the Civil War.
                              Paying farmers not to farm is a symptom of a nation-wide problem of wasteful spending. One dumb act does not justify another.[/QUOTE


                              Yup both dumb acts and nothing I said was trying to justify anything. Just putting into perspective how wasteful it is here too.

                              The south was already defeated when Custer butchered hapless Confederates as they tried to retreat. Hundreds of accounts of Union aggression after white flags were waved! Same mindset carried over into Indian wars.

                              What Custer did during the Civil war was heroic in the eyes of the Yanks but was barbaric in the eyes of south. Two sides to every war. The winning side gets to dictate in the history books who the heros were! The southern soldier's diarys paint a different account.

                              The only heros from this side were certain regiments of the Buffalo Soldiers.
                              The Buffalo Soldier Cavalry units could not have participated in the Civil War since they were formed in 1866 and the Civil War ended in April of 1865. Perhaps you could cite source material for Custer`s participation in massacres of surrendering Confederate soldiers, since this post is the first time I have been made aware of this.
                              My child was inmate of the month at Mat-Su pre-trial Correctional facility.

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