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    Looks like Lisa is raising cane with the FDA over farmed salmon where she should be welcoming what could be a real blessing to our wild salmon stocks: http://www.adn.com/article/20151123/...odified-salmon

    Capturing a significant share of the market should take some of the pressure off our wild stocks- and less commercial pressure is always good for the wild fisheries - always.

    Lets all pray the new salmon get a roaring start and capture a large share of the salmon market. Our wild salmon can then thrive and prosper as they did in the past.

    But it is all about money - isn't it?
    Living the urban lifestyle so I can pay my way and for my family's needs, and support my country. And you?
    ".. ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" JFK

  • #2
    Well, well, well...... Some things never change.

    Farmed salmon have been around for decades. Their market share won't move up or down based on this. It's just a farmed salmon that grows faster. But it's still a farmed salmon. Lots of folks won't touch them. This new fish won't make them change their tastes one iota.

    Also, the wild salmon stocks in Alaska are already thriving and prospering. And they have been for the past 10,000 years. In case you haven't noticed......

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    • #3
      Originally posted by tvfinak View Post
      Looks like Lisa is raising cane with the FDA over farmed salmon where she should be welcoming what could be a real blessing to our wild salmon stocks: http://www.adn.com/article/20151123/...odified-salmon

      Capturing a significant share of the market should take some of the pressure off our wild stocks- and less commercial pressure is always good for the wild fisheries - always.

      Lets all pray the new salmon get a roaring start and capture a large share of the salmon market. Our wild salmon can then thrive and prosper as they did in the past.

      But it is all about money - isn't it?
      Farmed salmon harm the environment and the wild fish themselves far more than well regulated commercial fisheries. It takes an obscene amount of feed to raise farmed fish, and those fish that are caught to be ground into fish meal for the salmon feed are thus not available for the wild stocks.

      No credible marine biologist would support your assertion that fish farming is beneficial to wild stocks of fish.

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      • #4
        This thread should be titled "TVF trolls with farmed salmon". :rolleyes:
        ...he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors. ~Thomas Jefferson
        I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief. ~Gerry Spence
        The last thing Alaska needs is another bigot. ~member Catch It

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Brian M View Post
          Farmed salmon harm the environment and the wild fish themselves far more than well regulated commercial fisheries. It takes an obscene amount of feed to raise farmed fish, and those fish that are caught to be ground into fish meal for the salmon feed are thus not available for the wild stocks.

          No credible marine biologist would support your assertion that fish farming is beneficial to wild stocks of fish.
          +1. I believe this is one aspect most people never think about and are blissfully ignorant of; how incredibly inefficient, wasteful, and resource intensive it is to farm salmon.
          ...he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors. ~Thomas Jefferson
          I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief. ~Gerry Spence
          The last thing Alaska needs is another bigot. ~member Catch It

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          • #6
            The only possible good in this decision is that many customers, who are averse to eating GMO salmon, may be drawn to the real thing, AK salmon.
            I wonder how the meat on those fish look? Many years ago we trolled for land locked kings north of Pierre, SD. We caught a couple and the meat was very pale.
            My child was inmate of the month at Mat-Su pre-trial Correctional facility.

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            • #7
              At an absolute minimum the darned things should be labeled as Farmed, too - that is not even part the plan so far.
              We need to insist upon same.

              How can people chose with their wallets what to value as natural, worth protecting, proven healthy, etc. when faced with commercial interests looking at the bottom line and altering eons of a good thing as if they were supreme beings - playing with fire ......

              Farmed fish should be confined to on land, closed water systems only - so that there is less chance of unanticipated things going very, very wrong. The answers to long term effects may come shockingly years from now. This could result in accelerating the end of the natural salmon stocks we are blessed with.

              You can take these techniques to that watery planet you have in your dreams.
              "Punish the monkey - let the organ grinder go" - Mark Knopfler

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              • #8
                don't eat chicken...

                I would bet the Passenger Pigeon market hunters said something very similar about first domestic chicken farmers.

                It is too late to save the poor pigeons; maybe we can still save the salmon.


                Originally posted by iofthetaiga View Post
                I believe this is one aspect most people never think about and are blissfully ignorant of; how incredibly inefficient, wasteful, and resource intensive it is to farm salmon.
                Living the urban lifestyle so I can pay my way and for my family's needs, and support my country. And you?
                ".. ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" JFK

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                • #9
                  tvf, you do realize the analogy you just attempted to make is utterly nonsensical, don't you?
                  ...he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors. ~Thomas Jefferson
                  I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief. ~Gerry Spence
                  The last thing Alaska needs is another bigot. ~member Catch It

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mkay View Post
                    The only possible good in this decision is that many customers, who are averse to eating GMO salmon, may be drawn to the real thing, AK salmon.
                    I wonder how the meat on those fish look? Many years ago we trolled for land locked kings north of Pierre, SD. We caught a couple and the meat was very pale.
                    Originally posted by 68 Bronco View Post
                    At an absolute minimum the darned things should be labeled as Farmed, too - that is not even part the plan so far.
                    We need to insist upon same.

                    How can people chose with their wallets what to value as natural, worth protecting, proven healthy, etc. when faced with commercial interests looking at the bottom line and altering eons of a good thing as if they were supreme beings - playing with fire ......

                    Farmed fish should be confined to on land, closed water systems only - so that there is less chance of unanticipated things going very, very wrong. The answers to long term effects may come shockingly years from now. This could result in accelerating the end of the natural salmon stocks we are blessed with.

                    You can take these techniques to that watery planet you have in your dreams.
                    Don't worry TV - your marbles are out there somewhere. You'll find them eventually.

                    I think the press of this issue provides a real opportunity for Alaska. The current up-swell against GMO food is pretty significant (albeit somewhat silly IMO, but whatever...). I'd bet there are a lot of hardcore non gmo soldiers that are blissfully unaware that the fish they pick up at the local supermarket is farm raised. That just changed. No better time for a "Fresh, Wild, Sustainable, Alaskan" marketing campaign. Maybe we could borrow Coke's old theme song - "can't beat the real thing"...

                    Bronco, I believe the official line is that these fish will be raised only in landlocked pens.... In Panama or someplace which I'm sure has wired tight security to prevent contamination of natural stocks...

                    I've got a lot of questions about this but am not necessarily freaking out about it like some people are.... IF they turn out to be edible and healthy, I highly doubt they will come close to having the texture and health benefits of wild fish. Not to mention the huge problem fish farms are having with parasites.

                    But I think the fact that people will undoubtedly freak out about it is a pretty big opportunity for Alaska.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by tvfinak View Post
                      I would bet the Passenger Pigeon market hunters said something very similar about first domestic chicken farmers.

                      It is too late to save the poor pigeons; maybe we can still save the salmon.
                      Probably not. Hunting Passenger Pigeons was outlawed more than a generation before modern chicken farming became popular.

                      Interestingly, Passenger Pigeon meat was dirt cheap and considered slaves' food, while in that era chickens were mostly raised on family farms and valued for their eggs (as they have been since long before Christ) and their meat was expensive and saved for special occasions.

                      So yes, utterly nonsensical is a very good way to put it.

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                      • #12
                        and salmon

                        People were raising chickens and turkeys very early on in our history. The huge large scale operations did come later.

                        Interesting that the other food stuffed down the slaves and indentured servants - who were often treated worse than the slaves - was of all things salmon. Like the Passenger Pigeon, the Atlantic salmon got wiped out by commercial over-harvest by greedy operators trying to make a fast buck. Some things never change.


                        Originally posted by smithtb View Post
                        Probably not. Hunting Passenger Pigeons was outlawed more than a generation before modern chicken farming became popular.

                        Interestingly, Passenger Pigeon meat was dirt cheap and considered slaves' food, while in that era chickens were mostly raised on family farms and valued for their eggs (as they have been since long before Christ) and their meat was expensive and saved for special occasions.

                        So yes, utterly nonsensical is a very good way to put it.
                        Living the urban lifestyle so I can pay my way and for my family's needs, and support my country. And you?
                        ".. ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" JFK

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                        • #13
                          Saving our wild salmon

                          Originally posted by tvfinak View Post
                          People were raising chickens and turkeys very early on in our history. The huge large scale operations did come later.

                          Interesting that the other food stuffed down the slaves and indentured servants - who were often treated worse than the slaves - was of all things salmon. Like the Passenger Pigeon, the Atlantic salmon got wiped out by commercial over-harvest by greedy operators trying to make a fast buck. Some things never change.
                          Actually, habitat destruction and possibly disease played a role, but you should probably stick to your narrative. Sounds a lot better to call a large portion of our state's population greedy operators based on what happened to a pigeon over a century ago. Totally sensible. Shame on me. I'm gonna go out to my chicken coup and cry.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by smithtb View Post
                            I think the press of this issue provides a real opportunity for Alaska. ...............

                            Bronco, I believe the official line is that these fish will be raised only in landlocked pens.... In Panama or someplace which I'm sure has wired tight security to prevent contamination of natural stocks...
                            Agreed, an opportunity for promotion of the real thing.

                            As to never escaping into the wild, surely you are being facetious. After all, we have never had any problems with invasive flora and fauna before, have we??

                            Mankind is far too fallible for this to never happen, out of greed, ignorance or even malice.
                            "Punish the monkey - let the organ grinder go" - Mark Knopfler

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                            • #15
                              large portion?

                              "A large portion of our states population"?

                              And this "large portion" of our states population supports an industry that contributes around 1% of the expenses of running the state and providing essential services to all the population of the states. That IS a crying shame no matter where you do it.



                              Originally posted by smithtb View Post
                              Actually, habitat destruction and possibly disease played a role, but you should probably stick to your narrative. Sounds a lot better to call a large portion of our state's population greedy operators based on what happened to a pigeon over a century ago. Totally sensible. Shame on me. I'm gonna go out to my chicken coup and cry.
                              Living the urban lifestyle so I can pay my way and for my family's needs, and support my country. And you?
                              ".. ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" JFK

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