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    http://www.boards.adfg.state.ak.us/g...tinfo/gcal.php

    the troopers and the dept of law have posted comments on the proposals, but the F&G has yet to complete their recommendations...
    Alaska Board of Game 2015 tour... "Kicking the can down the road"
    http://www.alaskabackcountryhunters.org/

  • #2
    Glad to see what the Troopers had to say about the use of helicopters for black bear hunting in Unit 16.

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    • #3
      troopers? troopers? they don't care about no steenking troopers

      cause they're the BOG !!!!

      Alas (depending on your point of view) it looks like not only will SFW get to use helo's, they are also likely to get the go ahead for snaring black bears (after a short class :eek.
      of course little details like what they will do if they snare a brown bear (the dept will helo a bio out to trank it and let it go... at $900/hr for a chopper), whether SFW will be cutting LZ's, and will they be choppering in 4-wheelers are "still being figured out".:confused:

      i think that the reason the dept has not put forth any positions on the proposals is that they don't want any media scrutiny before the actual meetings....
      this is going to be a really interesting meeting....
      Alaska Board of Game 2015 tour... "Kicking the can down the road"
      http://www.alaskabackcountryhunters.org/

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      • #4
        Originally posted by homerdave View Post
        cause they're the BOG !!!!

        Alas (depending on your point of view) it looks like not only will SFW get to use helo's, they are also likely to get the go ahead for snaring black bears (after a short class :eek.
        of course little details like what they will do if they snare a brown bear (the dept will helo a bio out to trank it and let it go... at $900/hr for a chopper), whether SFW will be cutting LZ's, and will they be choppering in 4-wheelers are "still being figured out".:confused:

        i think that the reason the dept has not put forth any positions on the proposals is that they don't want any media scrutiny before the actual meetings....
        this is going to be a really interesting meeting....
        Glad we got the boys from Utah helping us figure out how to take care of our problems. Who needs the department when you got SFW.

        Yha...SFW is bringing up some expert bear snarerer's who know how to snare black bears and not grizz.

        Apparently a black bear sticks his foot in a five gallon bucket but a brown bear wont ohhh and then there is the snare in the tree trick....that one is not as fool prof as the bucket trick apparently.....so whats a little by-catch anyways...Fish and game will just launch the helo come out and dart the grizz and let him go.

        I am surprised the Utah boys don't know how to use dart guns and I am even more surprised they need fish and game for anything like holding their hands.

        Man...what Alaskan ever would have thought of bucket snares, tree snares and helicopters to advance the commercial hunting of predators.

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        • #5
          Wake up fellow hunters! This is bad news...

          I've been in contact with many biologists on all this for the past couple weeks, as well as ADFG "leadership" and Wildlife Troopers.

          Bottom line: the "fix is in" from the guv's office and her new leadership team, including Corey Rossi, the spokesman and board member of SFW/SFH-Alaska who was recently named "Assistant Commissioner of Abundance Management," a brand new position created by Palin.

          Right off the bat Rossi began campaigning within the Dept. for all the very same things in the SFW/SFH proposals and the one from the Anchorage AC that is nearly identical. What those proposals want to do is to legalize the transport of "hunters" by helicopter who participate in the SFW/SFH-Alaska bear bait camps in Unit 16, under a control permit. They also want to legalize the ability for non-residents to get a control permit. And if that wasn't bad enough (look who chairs the Anchorage AC, and you will figure it all out) they want to allow big game guides to set up bait stations and then have clients (non-residents who would be able to get a control permit) be able to fly out to those sites with helicopters.

          Along with all that they also want to legalize the snaring of black bears in Unit 16 (and the whole dang state down the line with evermore bear control areas) under a control permit.

          Now on the one hand SFW/SFH-Alaska will say (and has said), and I quote: "This is not recreational hunting, this is managed predator control."

          And on the other they consistently refer to it as "hunting" in their literature and newsletters, going as far as saying that bears taken under this kind of scenario are scored in the P&Y record books. One caption in one of their newsletters showing a "hunter" with three fairly large black bears reads: "SFW Alaska member ___ ______ with 3 P&Y black bears taken over bait in a 24 hour period."

          So which is it, hunting or control? How many of you out there want to see helicopter transport of "hunters" be legalized, even under the guise of a "control" program? How many hunters out there want to see the snaring of black bears legalized, knowing full well brown bears would definitely also get caught? For God's sake, how hypocritical is a "control" program designed to put more meat on the tables of Alaskans when it legalizes the wanton waste of perfectly edible, healthy, protein-laden spring black bear meat? How does that make any sense at all?

          Things are heading toward an extremism the likes we've yet seen before if SFW/SFH gets their way via political cronyism and outside monies. If Alaskan resident hunters don't wake up to what is going on then it will be very bad for the future of hunting in Alaska, and the perception of hunting and all that it really is about.

          I'll be at the BOG meeting end of this month speaking out against all this. I hope others do too.
          Mark Richards
          www.residenthuntersofalaska.org

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          • #6
            Originally posted by bushrat View Post

            Bottom line: the "fix is in" from the guv's office and her new leadership team, including Corey Rossi, the spokesman and board member of SFW/SFH-Alaska who was recently named "Assistant Commissioner of Abundance Management," a brand new position created by Palin.
            Jennifer Yuhas, formerly of a private "wildlife management" group also recently got a sweet ADF&G appointment. It just gets better every day.
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            • #7
              I think it great!

              ADF&G want 800+ bear gone.

              SFW has the plans to do it.

              In 3 years you will see a moose hunt again in 16. Once this moose hunt starts, predator control will stop and so will hopefully all you cry babies.

              Troy

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tv321 View Post
                and so will hopefully all you cry babies.
                Hey aren't you the guy that cries about sheep, guides and airplanes? We all have our axes to grind.
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                • #9
                  Troy - Why can't Alaskan hunters do this themselves? If folks are really that concerned about the moose populations in Unit 16, why aren't they out there in droves during the long black bear season? My brother and his friend spent a week baiting in Unit 16 last year. While they took a couple of bears, what they did not see was other hunters putting forth similar effort. There is a ton of weeping and gnashing of teeth over Unit 16 bears and moose, but precious little being done about it by those who have been most vocal. Call in the helicopters? How about getting off our butts and doing something about it ourselves. We are opening a pandora's box here, and the results will not be good. Farming out predator control and doing away with a hallmark restriction will cause great long-term harm for a short-term goal that could be accomplished by other means.

                  But hey, what can I say? I'm just another cry-baby.

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                  • #10
                    you know, even if the bears are beaten down to the levels SFW wants, what are you gonna do about the deep snows that have been affecting winter survival of moose?
                    how about illegal moose hunting by residents? seems there is a strong anecdotal record suggesting that that was a major factor in the extirpation of moose from accessible areas.
                    what is the point of killing bears by helicopter in areas that ostensibly (thus the helicopter) are not reachable by legal means? will SFW be leaving wheelers in "convenient" locations?...

                    oh, and i will personally foot the bill if rutting moose will go let an unsedated brown bear out of a foot snare
                    Alaska Board of Game 2015 tour... "Kicking the can down the road"
                    http://www.alaskabackcountryhunters.org/

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by tv321 View Post
                      ADF&G want 800+ bear gone.

                      SFW has the plans to do it.

                      In 3 years you will see a moose hunt again in 16. Once this moose hunt starts, predator control will stop and so will hopefully all you cry babies.

                      Troy
                      So, is the SFW plan secret?

                      If so why?

                      If not then why not provide the details here?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by tv321 View Post

                        In 3 years you will see a moose hunt again in 16.
                        Can a moose even get to 50" in three years. Even if every Unit 16 bear got whacked today I fail to see how there would be enough legal bulls to hunt in three years.
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                        • #13
                          geez, Chisana...

                          there ya go, using irrefutable facts on an SFW argument... they don't need no steenking facts... they are SFW!!!
                          Alaska Board of Game 2015 tour... "Kicking the can down the road"
                          http://www.alaskabackcountryhunters.org/

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                          • #14
                            Bushrat,

                            Have you contacted P&Y to see if they will allow scoring of these unit 16 bears??
                            Would you give some informative info in regards to your bottom line, "the fix is in".

                            From the supplied F&G site.
                            Non residents to hunt in the implementation area under normal (fair chase only) hunting regulations. Non residents will not be allowed to foot-snare bears or possess a predator control permit, and must possess a regular baiting permit if baiting with out a guide. Non residents may hunt under a resident guides baiting permit.

                            Bear control effort will be concentrated in about 1/3 of the Intensive management area.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by homerdave View Post
                              what is the point of killing bears by helicopter

                              Not using helicopter to hunt, using them to get people into the area to hunt. Big difference!

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