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  • Defenders of Wildlife....

    listen to this http://media.kska.org/2009/cf-20090204.mp3



    Defenders of Wildlife may not be a one dimensional anti-hunting organization in Alaska anymore. Seems like they may be more allied with resident hunters than the commercial hunting industry is.








  • #2
    AVANANCHE

    ...link is not working for me...
    prob might be me, Im traveling...
    Do you have time for a brief summery of what it says. (If not I can wait a week.)

    Avalanche, do you plan on attending the Fairbanks BCSS board meeting in mid March?

    Dennis
    AK TAGS
    Imagine (It's easy if you try)
    …miles and miles of mountains…wide expanses of tundra...remote wild waters…
    (Whisper words of wisdom) Let It Be

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    • #3
      i'd like a summary too, was gonna take my computer and hour to open that link...no thanks.
      Www.blackriverhunting.com
      Master guide 212

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      • #4
        They are the PETA of Wildlife and worse the GreenPeace.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenders_of_Wildlife

        http://www.defenders.org/

        They were about Trapping, but have branched out. They also have lobbiests that work in D.C. with PETA. They are also the ones who are pushing for the polar Bears to get on the endangered species act.

        This 501c3 org is a BAD deal.
        No amount of education can help those who want to remain permanently ignorant of facts, which includes those whom have been educated.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by AlaskaTrueAdventure View Post
          AVANANCHE

          ...link is not working for me...
          prob might be me, Im traveling...
          Do you have time for a brief summery of what it says. (If not I can wait a week.)

          Avalanche, do you plan on attending the Fairbanks BCSS board meeting in mid March?

          Dennis
          AK TAGS
          It's an hour long radio show so I don't think I can do it justice to summarize it. There was hardly a word about predator control.

          The main topics seemed to be about the DNR hunting concessions program, resident hunting opportunity, transporters, establishing one guide board to include all class of guides, the osewicheck decision.....

          It's was worth listening to I thought.

          Ohh...I hope to be wolf hunting in unit 9 in March. I wont be in Fairbanks.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by upinak View Post
            They are the PETA of Wildlife and worse the GreenPeace.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenders_of_Wildlife

            http://www.defenders.org/

            They were about Trapping, but have branched out. They also have lobbiests that work in D.C. with PETA. They are also the ones who are pushing for the polar Bears to get on the endangered species act.

            This 501c3 org is a BAD deal.
            I think you mean the C4 branch of Defenders is a bad deal. There the ones with the affiliations and lobbiest in DC. As far as I know the C4 doesn't have a lobbiest in Alaska.

            The C3 is what is in Alaska and represented on the show....like I said I think that's how it is. Not sure though.

            If you didn't listen to the show you might try that.

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            • #7
              Defenders of Wildlife

              Originally posted by upinak View Post
              They are the PETA of Wildlife and worse the GreenPeace.
              I have never seen them associate with Peta myself. Seems to me they always push scientific justifications for managing wildlife. While I'm a hunter I too agree with allot of the issues they raise.

              Lets manage with the best available science and benefit all Alaskans.

              I listened to the show and thought the rep there from defenders was supporting resident hunters big time. You should listen too.
              Wade Willis

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              • #8
                I agree

                I agree that they really seemed to support the Average Alaskan, I think his name is Joe hunter. And I like that they seemed to be stressing that the Commercial guys and F & G, started this concession process before we Joe's got to put in any input. So is the Enemy of our Enemies are friend?

                Terry

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                • #9
                  Thanks for the post

                  A good listen makes one ponder who can help who.
                  Thanks Av I woulda missed it if not for your post you have been strangly quiet lately

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                  • #10
                    Ahhhhhhhhhh

                    Terry (and everyone),
                    DNR and DF&G and BGCSB and APHA got this deal cooking without any input from anybody. Joe Hunter was never consulted in any way....and contracting guide-outfitters were not largly aware or contacted or consulted in any way either...never!

                    These BGCSB meetings are the only way any of us have found out anything. Nothing in writing has ever been distributed to anybody for any input, no-time nowhere.

                    I do not know what else to say, 'cause I know so little of what is really going on.

                    I can not believe I'm saying this but I can not wait to get to a good internet connection to hear this DOW discussion.

                    Sincerely,
                    Dennis
                    AK TAGS
                    Imagine (It's easy if you try)
                    …miles and miles of mountains…wide expanses of tundra...remote wild waters…
                    (Whisper words of wisdom) Let It Be

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                    • #11
                      I have met a few of the DOW people through work. They were obnoxious and very rude. The "scientific studies" they claim to go off of is more of a ruse then anything, as well as poorly documented and did not have a name of the person doing the report. Most Biologists usually put a name to a report or study they are doing, especially if it was a multiple study with multiple people.

                      When one told me that the Caribou were dieing. I said that was interesting, and then showed this woman the pictures I had of the caribou giving birth under a pipeline and asked her if that looked like it was dieing. She stormed off and had some other guy come in a week later.

                      You all can tolerate what you want concerning these individuals. I have had my share and I am still not impressed.
                      No amount of education can help those who want to remain permanently ignorant of facts, which includes those whom have been educated.

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                      • #12
                        I have NOTHING good to say about DOW, based in DC.

                        Bottom line, I value hunting, and support future generations of hunters.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DEDWUF View Post
                          I have NOTHING good to say about DOW, based in DC.

                          Bottom line, I value hunting, and support future generations of hunters.
                          Did you listen to the C3 guy's testimony on the community forum?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by anonymous1 View Post
                            A good listen makes one ponder who can help who.
                            Thanks Av I woulda missed it if not for your post you have been strangly quiet lately
                            You bet A1...and ya with the session cranking up I have been real bz.

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                            • #15
                              Defenders of Wildlife Info

                              Began as anti-ranching group opposed to predator control, developed into grant-driven operation headed by wealthy urbanites and well-positioned academics generally opposed to rural development. Has long record of questionable practices such as the 1994 case of pretending friendliness to property owners in Louisiana's Black Bear Conservation Committee, while quietly filing a lawsuit against the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service demanding that the black bear be listed as an endangered species, then threatening to sue again because the Service had not designated "critical habitat" for the bear, all of which threatened the private property owners who believed Defenders of Wildlife was helping them. The group's membership is unaware of this and many similar deceptions.

                              Read more at: http://www.undueinfluence.com/defender.htm

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