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  • 2007 Board of Fisheries Proposals

    View them here.

    http://www.boards.adfg.state.ak.us/f...nfo/fprop_.php

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  • #2
    MAMA MIA!.... that document is a mouthful! :eek:

    I just spent two hours perusing just the sportfish piece. WOW!

    Like I good book I just couldn't put it down!

    Gotta admit, lotsa good ones in there.... but there's a lot of duds, too. :confused:

    It should be an interesting BOF 2008!
    "Let every angler who loves to fish think what it would mean to him to find the fish were gone." Zane Grey
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    • #3
      Too Late to Submit One?

      I was thinking of submitting a proposal for red fishing at the Russian/Kenai is it too late? I would like to see fishing for RESIDENTS ONLY from 11 PM to 6 AM. This would be for reds/kings/anything that swims on the two rivers from June 11 to August 1.

      Tourists (who may have all day to fish) can get 17 hours to get three reds and residents can have a little peace and quiet for the evening hours. I don't hate non-residents (gave two different reds to 2 different tourists last week) just looking for an easier time getting a spot to fish under a little better circumstances.

      Any support?
      Mike
      www.coffmancoveak.com
      Prince of Wales Island

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      • #4
        I would love to see something like that

        It would be great to have alittle chance for quiet, somehow I don't see that ever being passed though.
        60% of men don't know what they have until they lose it
        15% aren't sure but figure it's better than nothing
        25% know exactly what they have and would do anything to lose it or give it to someone else

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        • #5
          FYI

          February 1-12, 2008
          [12 days] Upper Cook Inlet Finfish
          Comment Deadline:
          Jan. 18, 2008

          If you are so inclined, get your written comments in before the Jan 18 deadline and they WILL become part of the official proposal book that goes out to all the Board Members.
          "Let every angler who loves to fish think what it would mean to him to find the fish were gone." Zane Grey
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gooch View Post
            I was thinking of submitting a proposal for red fishing at the Russian/Kenai is it too late? I would like to see fishing for RESIDENTS ONLY from 11 PM to 6 AM. This would be for reds/kings/anything that swims on the two rivers from June 11 to August 1.

            Tourists (who may have all day to fish) can get 17 hours to get three reds and residents can have a little peace and quiet for the evening hours. I don't hate non-residents (gave two different reds to 2 different tourists last week) just looking for an easier time getting a spot to fish under a little better circumstances.

            Any support?
            Its pretty quiet on the russian from 11 pm to 7am anyway. Heck its pretty quiet on the russian all season except for about a week in june and a week in july... All you gotta do is walk a little
            I choose to fly fish, not because its easy, but because its hard.

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            • #7
              BOF proposals

              Originally posted by ak_powder_monkey View Post
              Its pretty quiet on the russian from 11 pm to 7am anyway. Heck its pretty quiet on the russian all season except for about a week in june and a week in july... All you gotta do is walk a little
              The prosposal dead line is long gone. Go to the BOF web site and review the proposals starting at#73-358. Once you find a proposal that relate to the Russian ot time and area, write a letter asking the BOF to include the your idea in the discussion.

              Big Fisherman

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              • #8
                Board of Fisheries Comments


                Time is running short to get your comments into the Board of Fisheries. It is time we stop the over harvest of Nothern District Salmon Stocks, the damage to Fish Creek and other Cook Inletstreams caused by current stocking programs which is in violaton of stocking reglation!



                ALASKA DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME
                Boards Support Section
                P.O. Box 115526
                Juneau, AK 99811-5526
                (907) 465-4110
                (907) 465-6094 FAX

                To Alaska Board of Fisheries
                Subject: Upper Cook Inlet Salmon Management Plans and Issues
                Chairman Mel Morris and fellow Board members:
                Genetics

                Exciting things are beginning to happen in our fisheries management. The Matanuska-Susitna Borough has joined in on resolving the mismanagement of our salmon in upper Cook Inlet. For the last three years sockeye salmon fishing has been shut down to sports fishers because of poor returns on the Yentna River, which missed its’ escapement goal of 90,000 – 160,000, and Knik Arm was closed down in 2007 because of poor coho salmon returns on the Little Susitna River. These 2007 closures occurred after the commercial fishermen in the Central District enjoyed one of their top five harvests on record. Meanwhile, our returns of sockeye salmon and coho salmon were below average returns. For the last six years commercial fishermen have averaged 82% of the Cook Inlet harvest. Guess who got the remaining percentage; it is time for us to increase our share!
                The most important thing that each and every one of you can do is to write a letter to the Board of Fisheries at PO Box 115526 Juneau, AK 99811 no later than January 18, 2008, requesting them to revise the current management plans so that more salmon will be able to move into the Northern District. Also, send a copy to the Valley legislators and the Matanuska-Susitna Borough. Points of consideration to include in the letter are:

                A. Alaska Department of Fish and Game managers only have to manage to meet the lower end of the escapement goals. Because of this we won’t have enough salmon to harvest or to replenish the ecology systems in all the streams and rivers up here. The department must be directed to start managing for at least the midrange escapement goals (135,000 Yentna River55,000 on Fish Creek ) to enable replenishment of the runs and the ecosystems in the Northern District rivers and, of course, the opportunity for us to actually fish our systems!
                B. Currently the Soldotna office of Commercial Fishing has admitted that they can not make an accurate preseason forecast before the third week of July. By that time the majority of our Northern District sockeye salmon, which is intermixed with the Central District fish, have moved through the Central District. Even though accurate forecasts cannot be made during the first three weeks in July, the department allows the commercial fishermen to harvest a large percentage of the fish. More often than not, this causes an overharvest of the Northern District bound fish and once again we find ourselves on the short end of the stick. From July 7th through July 19th this summer commercial fishermen harvested 116,252 sockeyes and 72,769 coho salmon. This was during the period that accurate forecasts cannot be made. The chum salmon commercial harvest has dropped from 1.1 million in 1986 to less that 80,000 the last three years. These are a major source of food for our resident species. This time period is when they should be protecting our stocks, however, commercial fishermen have a free hand most of the time. Alaska Department of Fish and Game must be directed to protect Northern District stocks moving through the Central District between July 1st and July 21st for sockeye salmon and July 15th and July 27th for coho salmon.
                C. There is a proposal going before the Board of Fisheries requesting that the Susitna River and Fish Creek sockeye salmon be declared a stock of concern, and a second proposal to do the same for the Northern District chum salmon because the escapement goals for sockeye salmon on the Yentna River and Fish Creek have been repeatedly missed for over a decade, hence, our Northern District stocks must be protected as they move Central District. Refer to proposal number
                D. The Alaska Department of Fish and Game has just released data on a genetics study performed on sockeye salmon that our legislators funded from the general fund three years ago. These studies give us the first ever real view of the harvest and movement pattern of Northern District sockeye salmon. We need to encourage all of our legislators to continue supporting funding on sockeye salmon and additional funds for chum and coho salmon genetics studies to properly manage our salmon. The department has said for years that they do not have enough data to manage the Northern District. So they manage the Central District salmon to the detriment of Northern District salmon.

                E. Sustainable Salmon Management Policy can be found in the State Regulation covering fisheries management. Department managers do not like this regulation and do not follow it. They say it is only a policy, not a regulation, and they do not have to follow policy. Representative Stoltze submitted legislation last year to make The Sustainable Salmon Management Policy into legislation and it was put in a fisheries subcommittee where it will never be acted upon. Senator Huggins has pre-filed a bill in the Senate on the Sustainable Salmon Management Policy to make it law. If this does not work there may be an initiative filed to let Alaskans make it law!

                It is extremely important that as many fishers as possible send comments to the Board of Fisheries and let your legislators know that you encourage their continued support!

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                • #9
                  lies and more lies.

                  The above letter is filled with just plain lies and misstatements. I cannot understand why a person would put this stuff out about mismanagement, failing stocks, and lack of chum and coho salmon.

                  There is so much misinformation that one cannot deal with all of it here. But for the record the expolitation rate of the commercial fishery on northern chum and coho stocks is less than 10% - the harvest has decreased because of regulatory actions by the BOF to allocate coho to the northern district sport fishery and actions to reduce exploitation rates on sockeye - and they are getting 90% of the coho and chum return.

                  ADF&G has said there are no stocks of concern - I tend to disagree on some Susitna lakes because of pike and beaver dams but ADF&G is defining a stock as the Susitna or Yentna.

                  Fish Creek is the new approach to getting an allocation and that dog will not hunt. First 80% of the sockeye return is hatchery fish, second the sockeye stocks are hot with IHN and parasites, and finally the rearing environments have been wiped out or are cat 5 impaired status.

                  I am going to stop here but if anyone takes the above letter seriously they are not being objective or accurate in telling the situation in the northern district.

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                  • #10
                    Did I hit a sore point;Can you prove with you accusations!

                    [PHP]
                    These are fact if you take time to look up the information. How many studies do you have that has been peer reviewed or validated data? As many of us know there is more than one way to look at data. There hasn't been completed study sockeye salmon in the Northern District Stocks since the late 70's, and the department admits that they can not accurately make preseason forecast until well after the 21st of July each year and what is the accurately . Additionally the department has said for years that they can not say for sure what is happening in the N.D. because of lack of Data. The department is charged to follow all Alaska Regulation pertaining to salmon management. But they have taken the view that they do not have to follow policies in regulation. This has caused problems within the department and they have admitted that this has caused problems in south central Alaska. If Alaska citizens were to decide that they didn't have to follow the regulations that make up the hunting and fishing regulations we would have total chaos on our streams. So far the sockeye data is clarifying long myths. But more on that later!







                    Originally posted by Nerka View Post
                    The above letter is filled with just plain lies and misstatements. I cannot understand why a person would put this stuff out about mismanagement, failing stocks, and lack of chum and coho salmon.

                    There is so much misinformation that one cannot deal with all of it here. But for the record the expolitation rate of the commercial fishery on northern chum and coho stocks is less than 10% - the harvest has decreased because of regulatory actions by the BOF to allocate coho to the northern district sport fishery and actions to reduce exploitation rates on sockeye - and they are getting 90% of the coho and chum return.

                    ADF&G has said there are no stocks of concern - I tend to disagree on some Susitna lakes because of pike and beaver dams but ADF&G is defining a stock as the Susitna or Yentna.

                    Fish Creek is the new approach to getting an allocation and that dog will not hunt. First 80% of the sockeye return is hatchery fish, second the sockeye stocks are hot with IHN and parasites, and finally the rearing environments have been wiped out or are cat 5 impaired status.

                    I am going to stop here but if anyone takes the above letter seriously they are not being objective or accurate in telling the situation in the northern district.

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                    • #11
                      more data than you think

                      First, the reports on exploitaiton rates are published and peer reviewed. They are available from ADF&G. There have been weir studies done the last two years and the mark/recapture studies will be out soon. There is a report from ADF&G on pike predation and impacts of pike on coho and sockeye lakes (these show a number of lakes that are adversely impacted) - in addition the sonar counters have been evaluated against the new Didson counters. All of these data point to relatively low exploitation rates on stocks of the northern district (even in 2007 when the harvest was nearly 200,000 - one should be careful even about that data as there are some inconsistencies in the results that need furhter examination).

                      ADF&G has not taken the view they do not have to follow policies in regulation. They have been informed by the courts that the policies are not enforceable because they violate the separation of powers granted by the legislature between the Board of Fish and the Department. Therefore, the Department has been managing for escapement goals and has evaluated the issue of stocks of concern relative to what the policies state.

                      For the record the sockeye data is not not doing anything but show that ADF&G has been conservative in the management of northern district stocks. I guess the myth you are refering to is that the stocks are over harvested and in trouble and have been mismanaged in the commercial fishery.

                      Again, I think we need to concentrate on those lakes that have problems with pike and beaver dams and water quality issues and stop trying to divert the discussion to issues that will not help these systems.

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                      • #12
                        2007 harvest information how did our resources fair?

                        Forecast runs to individual freshwater systems are as follows:
                        System System Preseason ____
                        Crescent River 109,000 Escapement Goal 30,000 –70,000
                        Fish Creek 37,000 Escapement Goal 20,000 –70,000
                        Kasilof River 1,247,000 Escapement Goal 150,000 – 250,000a

                        Kenai River 2,411,000 Escapement Goal 750,000 – 950,000
                        b

                        Susitna River 487,000 Escapement Goal 90,000 – 160,000


                        c

                        Minor Systems 644,000 N/A



                        How can the department make these forecast when they don't really have any data to make this forecast? They have been saying they they are not fishing the same pattern that they use to????????

                        OTHER SPECIES’ HARVEST PROJECTIONS
                        Very little information is available on which to base outlooks for the commercial harvests of the other salmon species. Using recent harvest trends and factoring in the expected intensity of the sockeye-based fishery, the
                        following numbers represent our best estimate of the 2007 harvest:
                        Pink Salmon 50,000
                        Chum Salmon 130,000
                        Coho Salmon 210,000
                        Chinook Salmon 20,000

                        These are the final harvest numbers for Cook Inlet

                        Kings Sockeyes Cohos Pinks Chums
                        17,934 3,268,833 174,828144,958 76,749

                        The preseason forecast had a 60% harvest forecasted what is the
                        percentage reliability +or - how many percentage points? In reality it was will over 66.7%. What is the long term average for the department meeting this forecast? With the 487,000 forecast for the Susitna River system and Fish Creek themade its escapement goals. What was the percentage of hatchery stocks it total returns?
                        Final Harvest Figures

                        System Forecast Actual Difference

                        Crescent River 109,000 135,000 +24%
                        Fish Creek 37,000 50,000 +35%
                        Kasilof River 1,247,000 1,000,000 -20%
                        Kenai River 2,411,000 3,125,000 +30%
                        Susitna River 487,000 326,000 -30%
                        Minor Systems 644,000 500,000 -22%
                        Overall Total 4,935,000 5,136,000 +04%

                        Sockeye salmon

                        :confused:How can salmon be properly manange with out knowlege to manage all of our salmon? :confused:

                        Lack of information does not make for good public polices








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                        • #13
                          Confused. . .

                          Originally posted by bigfisherman View Post
                          :confused:How can salmon be properly manange with out knowlege to manage all of our salmon? :confused:

                          Lack of information does not make for good public polices
                          Is there a point here?

                          Are you claiming Alaska's salmon are properly managed? Improperly managed? What?

                          While it's obvious lack of information does not make for good public policies, what are you saying? That there's a lack of information? That there are bad public policies? What?

                          Sorry, but I'm lost. . . help. . .

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                          • #14
                            Simply forecasts

                            Bigfisherman, that's why they are called "forecasts". Fisheries managers don't have crystal balls and a direct line to Mother Nature. They don't know everything, or even have the technology available that would allow them to get all the information if they could. Forecasts are a rough starting point. Got to start somewhere. We all know that until the fish are counted and the numbers are in, we are at the mercy of our management plan and our managers. The trick is to live and learn as carefully as possible, as we go.

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                            • #15
                              Someone Who Did This

                              As someone who did the UCI forecast I can tell you they are not for the biologist. That is why we call it in-season adaptive management.

                              However, given the results above for 2007 ADF&G did a pretty good job. If you can be within 30% for a fish stock that is really good.

                              The forecast methods are varied by system but if one is really interested the methods are discussed in the formal forecast publications.

                              In short some forecast are made from spawer to adult return ratios, others use the relationship of one age class to another, and some use fry and smolt information. All have very wide confident intervals because trying to predict mother nature is difficult.

                              However, the forecast are for the public not the Deparment. I tried to stop doing the forecast as it took time and was a waste of my time. However, industry wanted to have a forecast - both sport and commercial industries. I also said they could make their own but of course I lost that one in UCI (in the Bay the industry does make their own forecast along with the department).

                              The reason the forecast did not matter to the managers was that they used the offshore test fish index to predict what was happening in-season. This was a better tool than a forecast since it measured what was happening on the fishing grounds. Also catch rates and escapement levels were real time - not some forecast -

                              So bigfisherman - not sure what your point it about the forecast given no one in management really uses them without understanding the uncertainity in forecast and the better data available in-season.

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