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  • Halibut, Sablefish, and King Bycatch

    The levels of halibut, sablefish, and King Salmon bycatch need addressed again.

    In the Bearing Sea 7.73 million pounds of halibut is allowed to be taken as bycatch. Trawlers there also caught around 5 million pounds of sablefish bycatch even though their "limit" is 1.4 million pounds of sablefish bycatch.

    In the
    Central and Western Gulf 2.1 million pounds of halibut is allowed to be taken as bycatch, 16,802 chinook salmon were also taken as bycatch (about 5,000 more than made it up the world famous Kenai River this year to spawn). Trawlers in the Central Gulf also caught around 4.7 million pounds of sablefish bycatch even though their "limit" is 2.3 million pounds of sablefish bycatch.

    Most of this bycatch is discarded overboard even if all the fish are dead. The amount of fish that is wasted as bycatch impacts all of us who fish for these species, the directed commercial fisheries are limited and sportsfishing is limited.

    https://www.alaskajournal.com/2019-1...-again-council
    “I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.” Physicist ― Richard Feynman


  • #2
    Money talks. These levels are allowed because the pollock fishery is worth so much. Doesn't matter that the other fisheries are being wiped out in large part due to this waste.

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    • #3
      Insatiable human greed and wastefulness.... shakin' my f'n head in disgust!
      "Let every angler who loves to fish think what it would mean to him to find the fish were gone." Zane Grey
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      • #4
        Imo, if they can't get this in check they should limit (ie, cut way back) the amount of trawlers until they do! It boggles the mind that they are allowed to waste a greater quality fish in persuit of a lesser quality fish. Freekin ridiculous! I don't care how many people love their fake crab and McDonalds fish sandwiches!
        Sheep hunting...... the pain goes away, but the stupidity remains...!!!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by fishNphysician View Post
          Insatiable human greed and wastefulness.... shakin' my f'n head in disgust!
          They are almost as bad as the medical field where they charge bandit prices for everything. Talk about GREED!!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by kgpcr View Post
            They are almost as bad as the medical field where they charge bandit prices for everything. Talk about GREED!!
            Oh... you mean like my life-changing $600 cataract operation?

            Ridiculously irrelevant comparison.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by fishNphysician View Post
              Oh... you mean like my life-changing $600 cataract operation?

              Ridiculously irrelevant comparison.
              Doc I hit a nerve but I will stay with it. If you would like me to cite examples of GREED in your profession I would be happy to list some. lets just say kickbacks from drug companies alone are a disgrace. Paid vacations from them to those who prescribe them. Oh yeah they call them workshops in island paradises. there are hour meetings if you want to attend if not have a great time on XXX pharmaceuticals. My fishing buddy is an anesthesiologist and I hear his stories. Heck the comm guys are providing cheap protein to the world. Nothing from the medical profession is cheap. I am done here. Sorry Doc but I will stick with my statement

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              • #8
                Originally posted by kgpcr View Post
                Doc I hit a nerve but I will stay with it. If you would like me to cite examples of GREED in your profession I would be happy to list some. lets just say kickbacks from drug companies alone are a disgrace. Paid vacations from them to those who prescribe them. Oh yeah they call them workshops in island paradises. there are hour meetings if you want to attend if not have a great time on XXX pharmaceuticals. My fishing buddy is an anesthesiologist and I hear his stories. Heck the comm guys are providing cheap protein to the world. Nothing from the medical profession is cheap. I am done here. Sorry Doc but I will stick with my statement
                On topic, please. There is one point that makes me want to explode, in regards to bycatch. That is when anyone will say, and many do, that killing fish in this fishery has no effect on the overall health or abundance of the species they are killing. "Oh, its not us, its the in river conditions like pike, its the lodges, its the charters, its the floods, its the heat, its the salmon sharks, blah blah blah." Yet they can provide zero evidence that their catch and waste of the species at question is not contributing to its low abundance or in the case of king salmon, complete collapse. The bottom line is, if you kill a salmon before it spawns, it cannot spawn. Its really that simple! So if we aren't getting enough salmon back upriver to spawn, then every single factor must be looked at, and pre spawn mortality reduced wherever we can. Sure, humans can't control everything; so that makes it more important to control those things that we can- such as commercial bycatch! If biomass of halibut is low, and not increasing, then bycatch should be reduced! If doing this raises the price of pollock from 20 cents a pound to 30 cents a pound, great! Fishermen could catch a third less, and make the same money! Win, win.

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                • #9
                  Catch less... MAKE MORE!

                  Who-da-thunk-it? An undeniably underutilized business model within the commercial fishing industry.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by willphish4food View Post
                    On topic, please. There is one point that makes me want to explode, in regards to bycatch. That is when anyone will say, and many do, that killing fish in this fishery has no effect on the overall health or abundance of the species they are killing. "Oh, its not us, its the in river conditions like pike, its the lodges, its the charters, its the floods, its the heat, its the salmon sharks, blah blah blah." Yet they can provide zero evidence that their catch and waste of the species at question is not contributing to its low abundance or in the case of king salmon, complete collapse. The bottom line is, if you kill a salmon before it spawns, it cannot spawn. Its really that simple! So if we aren't getting enough salmon back upriver to spawn, then every single factor must be looked at, and pre spawn mortality reduced wherever we can. Sure, humans can't control everything; so that makes it more important to control those things that we can- such as commercial bycatch! If biomass of halibut is low, and not increasing, then bycatch should be reduced! If doing this raises the price of pollock from 20 cents a pound to 30 cents a pound, great! Fishermen could catch a third less, and make the same money! Win, win.
                    Bycatch IS waste....no ifs, ands, or butts, about it! Anybody that thinks different is delusional. Maybe years ago when the oceans were considerably more healthy, it may have not have made such a big impact. But today, in this day in age, with the overall health of our oceans declining....massive islands of garbage floating around all over, crazy water temps causing all kinds of problems, etc... How can anybody in their right mind believe that any waste of any sort be "allowable"? It's ludicrous!
                    Sheep hunting...... the pain goes away, but the stupidity remains...!!!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by willphish4food View Post
                      The bottom line is, if you kill a salmon before it spawns, it cannot spawn. Its really that simple! So if we aren't getting enough salmon back upriver to spawn, then every single factor must be looked at, and pre spawn mortality reduced wherever we can. Sure, humans can't control everything; so that makes it more important to control those things that we can- such as commercial bycatch! If biomass of halibut is low, and not increasing, then bycatch should be reduced!
                      This should be posted again and again and again.
                      “I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.” Physicist ― Richard Feynman

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                      • #12
                        Interception of pre-spawn subadults (so called "feeder" kings) and trawl bycatch of juvenile kings top the list of low-hanging fruit of human-caused chinook depletion that could be directly addressed. The results would be immediate and powerful!
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by fishNphysician View Post
                          Interception of pre-spawn subadults (so called "feeder" kings) and trawl bycatch of juvenile kings top the list of low-hanging fruit of human-caused chinook depletion that could be directly addressed. The results would be immediate and powerful!
                          You gonna include the feeder king sport fisheries that take place in the winter from California to Alaska in this too?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by twodux View Post
                            You gonna include the feeder king sport fisheries that take place in the winter from California to Alaska in this too?
                            As a significant cause of pre-spawn mortality? Yah yoo becha! It all counts... and eventually it all adds up to fewer fish making it back to the basin of origin. Can it be any other way?
                            "Let every angler who loves to fish think what it would mean to him to find the fish were gone." Zane Grey
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                            • #15
                              Ok we can all agree it’s extremely harmful. But how do we solve it? By nature the trawl fishery is a giant vacuum cleaner and can’t sort the pollock from everything else as I understand it. So do we stop the fishery? Make them use pots? Force them to bring the bycatch to market and crush the other fisheries’ markets? Start farming Filet O’ Fish sammiches?

                              I ask as I truly don’t know.

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