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  • Setnet ban initiative signature drive - facts not necessary.

    Just thought I'd pass this on. Local setnetters have recieved multiple complaints from people who have encountered setnet ban signature gatherers who have bent the truth or flat out lied about what the initiative is while gathering signatures - even going so far as to say it is to conserve the kings and omitting anything about banning setnets even when specifically asked. Coincidentally, my wife had an encounter much like this in Anchorage - the guy said "save the king salmon, sign this petition". When she said no he said "You don't want to save the salmon?" He got an earful of facts and suggestions after that

    An inquiry was made with the gov's office, and as it turns out there is no requirement that petitioners tell the truth when attempting to get an initiative on the ballot. What a handy coincidence for the KRSA boys. Oh, sorry I meant the AFCA boys.

    Apparently there is an initiative signature drive tomorrow (Nov 25th) from 10-Noon at the Soldotna Public Library. I am posting this because I'm confident it will garner more disgust than support from peninsula residents. Feel free to stop by and fact check these con artists.

  • #2
    Yep A man at Carr's a couple months ago was selling the same BS. "Save the Kings". I told him it was the biggest bunch of bull, He got all defensive as I turned and walked away. Sad really

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    • #3
      The guys collecting signatures probably could care less about a set net. They get paid by the signature, so save the fish is a catchy slogan and they get paid.
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      • #4
        Setnet ban initiative signature drive - facts not necessary.

        http://m.peninsulaclarion.com/opinio...tive#gsc.tab=0


        Good points from a good guy.

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        • #5
          There is a lot of "The ESSN catch Kings", but I have never seen any size or age distribution for these Kings. There was a lot of angst over some ESSN having a king release system over the summer. So, what is the king catch size distribution over a typical summer for the ESSN? No trade secrets, but a combination of direct net catch and roll-ups ought to somewhat reflect actual river returns, but there is no confirmed data that I can find. Anyone?

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            I made this graph from the data I could find last year. It doesn't show the age/size data of the actual return - if I remember right that info was a little less dependable but I will have to find it again. Ironically, the best age/size data we have for these fish is the ESSN harvest. And it is steadily decreasing both in relative age/size and usefulness...

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            • #7
              http://www.adn.com/article/20141227/shannyn-moore-we-cant-save-kenai-kings-destroying-cook-inlet-setnetters


              Great piece by Shannyn Moore

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              • #8
                Can anybody chime in with a status update on the initiative? I must not be paying attention close enough, but I thought the judge ruled that this initiative violated the Alaska constitution?

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                • #9
                  Lt. Gov Treadwell said it was not constitutional. Superior court judge said it was in a terrible decision. It is before AK supreme court on appeal now I think, but nothing stopping them from getting signatures while lying their arses off in the meantime.

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                  • #10
                    http://peninsulaclarion.com/opinion/...#comment-22888

                    Not real convincing Joe. Sorry buddy.

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                    • #11
                      Joe Connors article in the paper today is full of lies and misrepresentations. He sits on the KRSMA Board and knows better than this. I have lost all respect for Joe Connors as a person. As far as I am concerned DNR should remove him from the KRSMA Board and people should turn their backs to him when they see him. It is one thing to disagree on an issue but to outright lie and know you are doing it goes far beyond the issue.

                      This is very typical of KRSA approach to issues.

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                      • #12
                        I just stopped in and had to chime in.... SmithB, getting a little worried, are you? Your posts on here and also ADN makes a person thinks you are. No worries, just a thought!!! Good luck
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                        • #13
                          Fighting against lies and corruption isn't "worry". Given that all but one of the comments on that article are against that moron Joe's position, I'd say Smith is in the majority (one of the worst articles I've ever seen on the Clarion, the editorial staff needs some serious ear-bending about allowing such garbage to be published).

                          This entire initiative stinks about as much as the stupid pot initiative. And the signature gathers appear to be the same low information crowd. Sickening.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JOAT View Post
                            Fighting against lies and corruption isn't "worry". Given that all but one of the comments on that article are against that moron Joe's position, I'd say Smith is in the majority (one of the worst articles I've ever seen on the Clarion, the editorial staff needs some serious ear-bending about allowing such garbage to be published).

                            This entire initiative stinks about as much as the stupid pot initiative. And the signature gathers appear to be the same low information crowd. Sickening.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by thewhop2000 View Post
                              I just stopped in and had to chime in.... SmithB, getting a little worried, are you? Your posts on here and also ADN makes a person thinks you are. No worries, just a thought!!! Good luck
                              You know whop2000 - for a person who I thought respected other people and could feel some compassion for their situation, given your health issues, I would have expected you to understand that you are threatening the very basic security of families here on the Peninsula. I am hoping you change your position on this initiative and speak out against it for a number of valid reasons. So far the people pushing this initiative have made no valid reasons for it other than wanting more fish to catch themselves.

                              It is unfortunate that with serious budget cuts, an ADF&G with new leadership, resources being threatened by uncontrolled urbanization on the Peninsula, habitat damage due to in-river use increases, hydro development on the Kenai, climate change impacts on our rivers and stream ecology, invasive species and lack of any serious planning the representatives of the sport fishing groups and PU fisheries cannot put aside allocation issues and come to the table in an honest and ethical way. Instead they push for more division and create strife and hate in our community. They should look in a mirror and see what kind of person they have become.

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