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  • what do you think about these BOf proposals?

    1. Dogfish to become a misc. Finfish. Can be used for bait, can be harvsted without a bag limit?

    2. Sport caught pink salmon to be able to be used as bait? Seems like there are plenty of them. Thousands went to waste in Valdez onthe beach, why not catch one and use it for halibut or shirmp pot bait?

    I am interested to hear your comments on both to determine if we should put them in.
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    #1 - I would fully support this proposal. Dogfish are a tasty sportfish that are far underutilized as a resource. That they are grouped with salmon sharks makes no sense in light of the intent of the 2/year regulations. This would be a win-win proposal, as fishermen would be able to increase their overall daily take of fish while lessening the hassle of losing bait and gear for those targeting only halibut. The population, according to many people that have fished southcentral for decades, has continued to climb without an increase in bag limit. Put this one in.

    #2 - I'm not so sure about this one. In rivers with native pink populations, I would certainly not support it. Allowing the harvest of hatchery pinks in PWS for bait would make sense due to the waste that you mention, but it would be impossible for enforcement to know the origin of the fish. Furthermore, allowing additional harvest of the pinks in PWS is like putting a band-aid on a cut artery. Why not get to the root of the problem instead of just treating the symptom? The fact that we dump millions upon millions of pinks into PWS is a huge ecological experiment with unknown long-term ramifications. The argument that "the ocean is a big place" is a ridiculous support for this large-scale fish dumping. We dump the smolt in, pay the seiners to scoop up enough to feed the hatcheries, let the excess fish swim in circles until they die (thus increasing the eutrification of bays and estruaries, leading eventually to less productive near-shore areas because of this nutrient dumping), and then do it all over again. To what end? To support a small number of aquaculture and fishing jobs at the expense of natural runs and potential long-term ecological damage? Man, I love catching fish, but I just don't get this one. Your proposal has merit, but I'd rather see this one go an entirely different route.

    -Brian

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    • #3
      I have to agree with B_M. No problem with the dogfish, we sometimes get tired of them even after moving to try and get away from them. as far as the pink, the stocked ones are one thing but native runs should be protected and the normal salmon limits and "rules" stay in place.

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      • #4
        I'm all for the dog fish OPEN SEASON!!!!!!!!!!!
        No way i would ever eat one again. In Maryland I ate one and it was bad:mad:

        Not for the Pinks it's a place that has high numbers IE Valdez I would not mind it, but local steams I would not suport it. I have to agree with BM on this one. :confused:
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        • #5
          dogfish

          I am in agreement with B.M. and co. on the pinks , but i would be more willing to support a dogfish proposall that classed them as a sportfish, say with a 5 per day limit.
          Misc. finfish designation would be an invitation to wanton waste. If cared for properly dogfish are quite tasty.
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          • #6
            My two cents!!!! Arrow tooth and dog fish have no purpose in life.
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            • #7
              BM,
              What do you mean by this, "We dump the smolt in, pay the seiners to scoop up enough to feed the hatcheries, let the excess fish swim in circles until they die". Who is the "we" and who pays the seiners to scoop??

              What would you think of a gillnet fishery for dogfish for the holders of PWS gillnet permits?? if a market could be found.
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              • #8
                OK, I guess I should say that "we" allow this ranching of the ocean in PWS with the hatchery raised pinks. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me, economically or ecologially.

                -Brian

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                • #9
                  I think exceptions could be made for pinks in terminal harvest areas like valdez there shouldn't be a bag or possession limit there millions of fish littering the beach can't be good (see hood canal dead zones). Personally I think stocking 950 million pinks yearly is stupid and selling out the hatchery system to 200 seiners.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ak_powder_monkey View Post
                    I think exceptions could be made for pinks in terminal harvest areas like valdez there shouldn't be a bag or possession limit there millions of fish littering the beach can't be good (see hood canal dead zones). Personally I think stocking 950 million pinks yearly is stupid and selling out the hatchery system to 200 seiners.
                    Go to some of the PWSAC meetings and you'll see that what cordova wants cordova gets :rolleyes: Don't get me started on the gillnet fishery :mad:
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                    • #11
                      Aye for the Dogfish

                      Numbers (population), not species type, should to dictate harvest limits.
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                      • #12
                        salmon are out!

                        Okay
                        thanks for the input. I can see that the Pinks are going to be an issue, so we will hold off on that one. I guess I was thinking that if they were already part of the bag lmit using them for bait should be okay.
                        But salmon are always a delicate subject.....

                        Dogfish, however are not delicate and we will forward this proposal on to the BOF. Hopefully we will be able to load up on some tasty dogfish this summer! Ummmmmmmmmm

                        Thanks for the input!!
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                        • #13
                          I feel the pinks that you keep and use for bait should be part of your limit.
                          Dogfish should be treated like Gray Cod. You can use them any way you want. I've read that if you dry them out they burn pretty good.
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                          • #14
                            name change

                            We need to stop thinking of them as sand sharks, spiny dogfish etc... The English sell them as Rock Salmon. It sounds more appetizing, and more expensive. I'm sure a client would gladly keep a rock salmon, esp if the limit were two a year and no commercial fishery to get them to the lower 48.
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                            • #15
                              No matter what you call it, it's still a SHARK!!!!!!! If I had a dollar for every one that we caught on my boat. I could retire
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