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    Hi, All,

    New member, first post. First let me say how appreciative I've been of all the respectful and informative replies I've seen offered to help other people on this site - I've learned so much already and I'm glad to be here.

    Long story short, I'm about sick to death of just about all people, of regulations and ordinances, of commercialism and corporatization and gentrification, and in summary just about everything that characterizes the lower 48 everywhere I seem to turn nowadays. I'm sure it gets easier and easier for you to roll your eyes at all the people vowing to "leave it all behind" in Alaska, but I've started the process of figuring out the relocation and I'm going to make it work. I'm sorry if the questions are a bit basic, but here's my dream and a little background for the answers I'm seeking:

    I want to buy about 50 acres of land and build a simple life in a place I can be proud to be a part of. I want to build a log cabin with my sons and mind my own business and be left alone with my family. My biggest hobby anymore is researching, reading about, learning and practicing the skills necessary for an off-the-grid cabin life, and we'll come as prepared as we can possibly be. So I want to be remote, my definition of remote being access by ATV, snowmachine, or foot (if a float plane or boat is absolutely necessary it gets complicated with my wife). I don't want power, I don't want people, I don't want developed roads around, and I want the proximity of the nearest town to be such that any trip to town will be the result of multiple needs having been filed away until a trip is worth it. I know these things will make just about every part of daily life more of an effort in some regards, but I won't need employment and I'm looking to fill my days with just such effort.

    For the land I want trees and some source or sources of water, and beyond that I've become overwhelmed at the size of Alaska and the seemingly countless different areas it offers. I want an abundance of brown bears and moose around such that they're just part of our property and daily lives, and whatever other big game species I can get I'll consider a wonderful bonus. I just don't know nearly enough to understand which end of the spectrum I'm on with wildlife - is what I'm looking for a pipe dream or is it something that I couldn't avoid even if I wanted to?

    In addition to a finding a place that's quintessentially "Alaska" enough, probably my biggest concern from watching so many beautiful places getting destroyed by Californians is that I'll pick a part of the state that you all could see filling up more rapidly than others - something's got to give down here and people are definitely going to start relocating to more and more places, including Alaska, and bringing their same old baggage with them.

    Soooooo...where would YOU go? Where would you avoid? Peace and quiet, a strong presence of as much major wildlife as possible, trees and water. Teach me!

    Many thanks in advance!
    Anthony

  • #2
    Originally posted by negativeghostrider View Post
    ...roll your eyes at all the people vowing to "leave it all behind" in Alaska,
    .......yup.

    ...he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors. ~Thomas Jefferson
    I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief. ~Gerry Spence
    The last thing Alaska needs is another bigot. ~member Catch It

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    • #3
      https://akwildwoodranch.com
      " Gas boats are bad enough, autos are an invention of the devil, and airplanes are worse." ~Allen Hasselborg

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      • #4
        From the sounds of it, that's not as remote as he wants.....ie, "no roads", or "people around."
        Sheep hunting...... the pain goes away, but the stupidity remains...!!!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 4merguide View Post
          From the sounds of it, that's not as remote as he wants.....ie, "no roads", or "people around."
          He won't find 50 acres anywhere quieter....the roads are rutted single tracks, unmaintained, no power nearby, couple hundred square miles out the back door with something less than a handful of year round households, grizzlies in your garbage every night....yet less than an hour to groceries or fishing...
          " Gas boats are bad enough, autos are an invention of the devil, and airplanes are worse." ~Allen Hasselborg

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          • #6
            I’d look along the Parks Highway between Houston and Fairbanks, along the Glenn Highway between Sutton and Glennallen, along the Richardson Highway between Valdez and Fairbanks and the area around the Tok cutoff off the Richardson highway. 50 acres would be a decent spread. If you a willing to have remote property (I.e. you can’t drive a car or truck to it) and the further you are from the major cities mentioned above, the price drops. It is possible to find property on the road system above away from the cities mentioned, and sometimes you’ll find old homestead properties for sale with very usable structures already in place. I purchased and am moved into one of those old homesteads and am having a blast resurrecting it. The true homesteading boom ended decades ago. Some of the homesteaders who settled during the 60’s and 70s are aging out and you can see these properties being listed.
            I am the one who has to die when it's time for me to die, so let me live my life the way I want to. - Jimi Hendrix

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Hkrjohn View Post
              I’d look along the Parks Highway between Houston and Fairbanks, along the Glenn Highway between Sutton and Glennallen, along the Richardson Highway between Valdez and Fairbanks and the area around the Tok cutoff off the Richardson highway. 50 acres would be a decent spread. If you a willing to have remote property (I.e. you can’t drive a car or truck to it) and the further you are from the major cities mentioned above, the price drops. It is possible to find property on the road system above away from the cities mentioned, and sometimes you’ll find old homestead properties for sale with very usable structures already in place. I purchased and am moved into one of those old homesteads and am having a blast resurrecting it. The true homesteading boom ended decades ago. Some of the homesteaders who settled during the 60’s and 70s are aging out and you can see these properties being listed.
              Just out of curiosity where do you find listings for old homesteads? Are they on Zillow and similar sites or is there a better resource for finding them?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by dahlenburg View Post

                Just out of curiosity where do you find listings for old homesteads? Are they on Zillow and similar sites or is there a better resource for finding them?
                alaskalist, Craigslist, bulletin boards in the grocery stores in the small communities, word of mouth. There are some real estate agencies that specialize in remote/rural properties, and I would imagine they use the mls system so they would likely show up on sites like Zillow. When I was looking, I found it hard to find properties using sites like Zillow.

                I know there are members on this forum that are selling, so one might just reach out to you.
                I am the one who has to die when it's time for me to die, so let me live my life the way I want to. - Jimi Hendrix

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by negativeghostrider View Post
                  Hi, All,

                  New member, first post. First let me say how appreciative I've been of all the respectful and informative replies I've seen offered to help other people on this site - I've learned so much already and I'm glad to be here.

                  Long story short, I'm about sick to death of just about all people, of regulations and ordinances, of commercialism and corporatization and gentrification, and in summary just about everything that characterizes the lower 48 everywhere I seem to turn nowadays. I'm sure it gets easier and easier for you to roll your eyes at all the people vowing to "leave it all behind" in Alaska, but I've started the process of figuring out the relocation and I'm going to make it work. I'm sorry if the questions are a bit basic, but here's my dream and a little background for the answers I'm seeking:

                  I want to buy about 50 acres of land and build a simple life in a place I can be proud to be a part of. I want to build a log cabin with my sons and mind my own business and be left alone with my family. My biggest hobby anymore is researching, reading about, learning and practicing the skills necessary for an off-the-grid cabin life, and we'll come as prepared as we can possibly be. So I want to be remote, my definition of remote being access by ATV, snowmachine, or foot (if a float plane or boat is absolutely necessary it gets complicated with my wife). I don't want power, I don't want people, I don't want developed roads around, and I want the proximity of the nearest town to be such that any trip to town will be the result of multiple needs having been filed away until a trip is worth it. I know these things will make just about every part of daily life more of an effort in some regards, but I won't need employment and I'm looking to fill my days with just such effort.

                  For the land I want trees and some source or sources of water, and beyond that I've become overwhelmed at the size of Alaska and the seemingly countless different areas it offers. I want an abundance of brown bears and moose around such that they're just part of our property and daily lives, and whatever other big game species I can get I'll consider a wonderful bonus. I just don't know nearly enough to understand which end of the spectrum I'm on with wildlife - is what I'm looking for a pipe dream or is it something that I couldn't avoid even if I wanted to?

                  In addition to a finding a place that's quintessentially "Alaska" enough, probably my biggest concern from watching so many beautiful places getting destroyed by Californians is that I'll pick a part of the state that you all could see filling up more rapidly than others - something's got to give down here and people are definitely going to start relocating to more and more places, including Alaska, and bringing their same old baggage with them.

                  Soooooo...where would YOU go? Where would you avoid? Peace and quiet, a strong presence of as much major wildlife as possible, trees and water. Teach me!

                  Many thanks in advance!
                  Anthony
                  You're looking for the mythical Alaska that does not exist.

                  What does "...but I won't need employment..." mean? You have some money saved up, and steady income like a pension or disability, or independently wealthy? The farther out you go the cheaper the land (generally but not always) and the fewer people. But the more expensive it is to get yourself, building materials, and supplies back and forth. How's your health? Alaska is one of the most expensive places in the world for heath care.

                  Have you built anything before? A log cabin from scratch is not an easy endeavor. The state is littered with abandoned cabin building efforts. If you intend to do this you'll want to be looking mostly south of the Alaska Range or southeast Alaska where trees are big enough to be used as cabin logs.

                  Alaska has been in a years long recession with no end in sight. I doubt many "Californians" are going to be moving here and destroying the place any time soon.

                  You should plan a visit and spend a few weeks checking different areas out before committing to moving here. And, as is repeated hundreds of times, keep enough money on hand to move back in case it isn't all you thought it would be.



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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Hkrjohn View Post

                    alaskalist, Craigslist, bulletin boards in the grocery stores in the small communities, word of mouth. There are some real estate agencies that specialize in remote/rural properties, and I would imagine they use the mls system so they would likely show up on sites like Zillow. When I was looking, I found it hard to find properties using sites like Zillow.

                    I know there are members on this forum that are selling, so one might just reach out to you.
                    LandinAlaska.com is another site to check out.

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                    • #11
                      This:
                      Originally posted by NRick View Post

                      You're looking for the mythical Alaska that does not exist.

                      What does "...but I won't need employment..." mean? You have some money saved up, and steady income like a pension or disability, or independently wealthy? The farther out you go the cheaper the land (generally but not always) and the fewer people. But the more expensive it is to get yourself, building materials, and supplies back and forth. How's your health? Alaska is one of the most expensive places in the world for heath care.

                      Have you built anything before? A log cabin from scratch is not an easy endeavor. The state is littered with abandoned cabin building efforts. If you intend to do this you'll want to be looking mostly south of the Alaska Range or southeast Alaska where trees are big enough to be used as cabin logs.

                      Alaska has been in a years long recession with no end in sight. I doubt many "Californians" are going to be moving here and destroying the place any time soon.

                      You should plan a visit and spend a few weeks checking different areas out before committing to moving here. And, as is repeated hundreds of times, keep enough money on hand to move back in case it isn't all you thought it would be.


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                      ...he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors. ~Thomas Jefferson
                      I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief. ~Gerry Spence
                      The last thing Alaska needs is another bigot. ~member Catch It

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                      • #12
                        Idaho seems nice.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by NRick View Post
                          You're looking for the mythical Alaska that does not exist. What does "...but I won't need employment..." mean? You have some money saved up, and steady income like a pension or disability, or independently wealthy? The farther out you go the cheaper the land (generally but not always) and the fewer people. But the more expensive it is to get yourself, building materials, and supplies back and forth. How's your health? Alaska is one of the most expensive places in the world for heath care. Have you built anything before? A log cabin from scratch is not an easy endeavor. The state is littered with abandoned cabin building efforts. If you intend to do this you'll want to be looking mostly south of the Alaska Range or southeast Alaska where trees are big enough to be used as cabin logs. Alaska has been in a years long recession with no end in sight. I doubt many "Californians" are going to be moving here and destroying the place any time soon. You should plan a visit and spend a few weeks checking different areas out before committing to moving here. And, as is repeated hundreds of times, keep enough money on hand to move back in case it isn't all you thought it would be.
                          Well said! There are Alaskans who are already here looking for just such a utopia with cash available. Remote properties can be hard to finance. Banks want insurance and insurance companies want you in a fire service area. Financing it can be done I'm sure but it isn't going to be easy. But if your going in with $500,000+ cash available it's much easier. Also do you need a garden or will you buy all of your food? Alaskan gardening is fun but challenging at the same time. I've been learning it the last several years and it's nothing like gardening when I was growing up in the Midwest. Much tougher here!
                          Last edited by kasilofchrisn; 02-17-2021, 17:07.
                          "The closer I get to nature the farther I am from idiots"

                          "Fishing and Hunting are only an addiction if you're trying to quit"

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                          • #14
                            Did the same nearly 30 years ago. Not rustic remote but very rural. I can only wish you luck as no one would have changed my mind either. The only thing I learned for sure and certain is that I traded one set of problems for another set of problems. Would I do it over differently? Yes I would.

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                            • #15
                              sorry to pop your bubble but we're all filled up, no more room for anyone,

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