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  • Making Snares, part 2

    In the previous post I showed how to make the actual snare. Here, I'll show how I make and attach the support wire and how the snare is used.
    My support wires are made of 14 gauge trappers wire. Cut an 8 ft. piece, fold it in half. Put the 2 ends in a vice, grab the other end, the loop, with vice grips and twist. You end up with a 4 ft long, 2 strand, twisted wire with a loop on one end. Here's a pic showing the roll of wire, aircraft safety wire pliers, a folded over wire, and the finished, twisted wire:
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    Attach snare and wire.

    Withe twisted wire finished, we next want to attach the snare to the wire. Hopefully my pic can do the talking. On the left is a snare with it's loop end passed thru the loop of the wire, then thread the other end of the wire thru the loop of the snare. On the right is the finished product, with the snare loop pulled all the way down the wire and interlocked with the loop on the wire.
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    • #3
      Finished Snare

      We now have a finished snare that we can actually use to catch a fox. You should boil it in soda water first tho, to dull the shine. The twisted wire is the anchor line, and the support wire. You can twist or wrap the wire around whatever stout object you want, such as a tree, willow, a stake you pound into the ground, a fence post, etc. Where I live there are no trees, but alot of willows, so i generally attach the wire to a willow next to the trail I'm snaring. I've successfully used willows as small as my thumb, but I attach the wire right down next to the ground.
      The twisted wire is also the support for the snare. You can bend it to position the snare in the trail, at the height you want. With this snare all the way open, and positioned in the trail for a fox, you get an 8 in. dia. loop with the bottom of the loop 8 in. above the ground/snow.
      Here's a pic of the final assembly which I have clamped in my vise. The twisted 14 gauge wire is stiff enough to support the snare as far 18 in. or so from your attach point.
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      • #4
        Killing

        This type of snare is a lethal snare. It's designed to kill the animal that gets in it. However, the animal has to do it's part. Most wild animals, when restrained, pull and fight whatever is restraining them. If the restraint is a snare, they will hopefully pull and fight the snare until it tightenes enough to kill them. Snares don't kill by choking. The principle behind a snare loop, in a lethal set, is to cut off blood flow to the brain. If that works, death comes quickly. Generally, most animals have to entangle the snare to get it to tighten enough to kill. Here's a pic of a fox that did just that:
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        • #5
          Not always

          If the fox doesn't entangle properly, or at all, it usually won't expire. Some fox just don't seem to get it...........and won't wrap and tangle in the brush.
          Snares are a good tool near human habitation. Since you have to set a specific size loop and a specific height, you can taylor the set for a specific species, to some extent. At 8 in. off the ground, these snares are usually too low to catch a domestic dog. Also, most dogs are used to a restraint, so they don't fight the snare. I have caught dogs in these snares, and they are always waiting patiently with little sign of struggle.
          Here's a pic of a fox that didn't tangle. You can see the willow I wrapped the wire around, and in the background is my snogo trail where the snare was set.
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          • #6
            Last pic

            I also make these same snares for lynx, except I use 1/16th, 1x19 snare cable and cut a slightly longer piece. I use a 9 in. dia. loop for lynx, placed 11 in. above the ground/snow. Lynx die easily in a snare. Sometimes they look as if they just layed down and died without a struggle.
            Here's a pic of one I caught, tho this one actually got in a wolverine snare. If you look closely, the animal didn't even pull the cable tight. It must have tightened the loop enough to cut off blood flow, but layed back as it expired. The shape of a cats neck and head lend it to a quick death in a snare.
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            • #7
              Lastly

              I use these snares right inside town here. Lots of fox, and I think they move into town in winter to look for food. I think a guy in Anch or Fbks could get away with using snares there. The town, or city, dump is often a good place to find fox. Take a look around where you live. Maybe the fox are just waiting for you.
              I heard there's alot of fox in Strahans neighborhood. <grin>
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              • #8
                Lastly...and then you go too far

                Mike, really excellent pics and descriptions on snare making.

                But...I don't encourage anyone to set snares within city limits. Check the regs and find out what is legal first, then determine if you're going to be catching people's pets.
                No snare, in my book, should be used near human habitations in cities where there is a likelihood of catching pets. When trappers do that, it makes all of us look bad. Dogs don't always just sit there when caught, and depending on how long before checking sets, they can easily die once the snare is tightened, or lose a leg or foot to frostbite if they get caught by a leg.

                Snares are NOT a good tool near human habitations. By suggesting this to others in Anchorage and Fbks, you pretty much go against what the ATA teaches and against all trapper ethics.

                Great to teach newbies how to make snares and set them and all that. I applaud your efforts. But c'mon, don't teach them or imply that it's okay to set snares around other peoples houses.

                Oh, and in case you thought the bit about Strahan and implying that people should set snares near his home was funny...well it isn't even close. It's immature and totally unnecessary.

                Mark
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                • #9
                  ADFG Regs

                  http://www.wildlife.alaska.gov/regul...s/trapping.pdf

                  "Act responsibly as a trapper and conservationist by trapping in ways to minimize conflict between trapping and other users, e.g., avoid high recreational use areas. Avoid situations where you might catch a domestic dog or cat, such as near homes or trails frequently used by hikers, skijorers, dog mushers, or other people."
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                  • #10
                    Great post Martin

                    You do a nice job with your sets.
                    I think that Bushrat is right that if you catch someones pet, it never goes well when or if the owner finds out, but I will tell you that the Fish and Game have made it fully aware that if you have a dog running loose, and you have moose around and your do goes after the moose, then you can shoot the dog, and they want you to do it.
                    I have a dog, and he is never running loose, not ever. We have moose in my property almost everyday, and my neighbors dogs run loose. I think it is very irresponsible and you deserve to loose your dog if you live where moose roam.
                    Now days .. pets should not run loose, and if they do, they may not come home at night due to Cars, Moose, bears, or people just having enough of ill mannered people that let their pets roam..
                    You are a bad neighbor if your pet comes into my yard without permission.
                    I don't in any way advocate killing or harming someones pet. I am just saying that those of you that let your pets run loose and they come in to other peoples property are not very considerate.
                    I would not have a problem snaring legal fur bearers in any location if people would take care of the pets they sometimes keep.
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                    • #11
                      good post, Max

                      Max,

                      I appreciate your thoughts. This has become a problem. So much so that the Alaska Trappers Assn. made a video to show pet-owners how to release their pets from traps and snares. I think Pete Buist, who narrates the video, sums up what you are trying to say, and what I was trying to say:

                      "If you're of a mind that trapping is just a nasty business and has no place in modern society, we are not here to try to change your mind. Because no matter what laws and ordinances our government passes, there will always be irresponsible pet owners and irresponsible trappers and where these two low-life forms clash, we unfortunately end up with dogs in traps or snares."

                      Pets should not be allowed to run loose in neigborhoods with leash laws etc. However, dogs do sometimes get out of yards. Every time a pet is caught by a trapper near a residential neighborhood, it's bad. I could list countless occurrences of this happening of late as Alaska grows, and then people demand trapping be banned, limits imposed etc. My main point is that we can't advocate here, or imply that setting snares near homes and in neighborhoods is an acceptable practice. It isn't. What MT is suggesting is the "irresponsible trapper" aspect of what Buist brings up.

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                      • #12
                        So, Bushrat, you are saying that trapping doesn't belong within city limits??? Hmmm, why don't you come out to BET and ask the 4 or 5 of us who trap within our city limits. We all use snares and very few of us have ever caught a dog. I know one guy who as trapped over 600 fox in the last 6 years and has never killed or hurt a dog in his snares. If you are a responsible trapper and trap in town, it is you duty to check your snares everyday if possible. This will help ensure your non-target catch is very limited.

                        We have a serious problem with fox in and around our town. Last year alone, over 200 foxes were trapped within city limits. I think it is "irresponsible" to not trap when situations like this arise.

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                        • #13
                          snares

                          So are you implying that snares should be used nowhere in the lower 48? Because there are people and pets everywhere down there. I personally would rather see a dog waiting for me in a snare ( I have seen this) than I would waiting with a foot hold trap around it.

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                          • #14
                            I think the big difference between you and me, Mark, is you feel that every time an issue comes up, or a complaint, whatever, we, as responsible hunterts and trappers should step back.............to do the right thing. To LOOK responsible. To LOOK ethical.
                            In my view.........
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                            • #15
                              Kusko, Jon,

                              I'm not implying anything other than what I said.

                              Each area is different. The urban sprawl of Fbks/Anch/Mat-Su is really getting to be a problem with user conflicts. I hope not to read yet another "...trapper caught my dog...and we need to ban trapping here" articles in the newspapers. So all I'm saying is let's be careful in telling guys they can get away with setting snares in Fbks or Anch. That can create irresponsible trappers who make us all look bad.

                              Don't you agree? I'd have thought that Buist's comments from the video would illustrate the point. He doesn't put the blame solely on the pet owner when a pet is caught. He puts some on the trapper too. Society tends to put all the blame on the trapper.

                              Mark


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