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    i had seen this study and was not surprised, lots of research has shown ATV/ORV use moves elk, often from miles away. this is the first time i have seen anything showing the same behavior in moose. i thought it was particularly curious how they avoided the trails as a corridor.

    http://news.discovery.com/earth/atv-...fe-110328.html
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  • #2
    Originally posted by homerdave View Post
    i had seen this study and was not surprised, lots of research has shown ATV/ORV use moves elk, often from miles away. this is the first time i have seen anything showing the same behavior in moose. i thought it was particularly curious how they avoided the trails as a corridor.

    http://news.discovery.com/earth/atv-...fe-110328.html
    I don't think it is even limited to just ATV's as far as pushing moose (or other animals for that matter) off of trails. I have seen the same thing with moose right here on the ski trails in Anchorage. For the most part, the moose don't walk right down the nicely packed ski trails but tend to stay off in the deeper snow through the woods. I assume that it is for similar reasons as to why they avoid ATV trails. It is disturbing to them to come across other "animals" or "obstacles" frequently and have to deal with them frequently. They have been trained that they encounter fewer instances by avoiding the ATV (or in my case, ski) trails. You do see them on the trails periodically, but not nearly as much as you would think considering the benefit that a nicely packed trail would be to them.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by homerdave View Post
      i had seen this study and was not surprised, lots of research has shown ATV/ORV use moves elk, often from miles away. this is the first time i have seen anything showing the same behavior in moose. i thought it was particularly curious how they avoided the trails as a corridor.

      http://news.discovery.com/earth/atv-...fe-110328.html
      I'm not surprised either. But we've had this conversation several times on this site. A while back I made reference to moose being displaced on the Tanana flats by airboat traffic and was predictably shouted down by those citing exceptions. Same will happen here, likely. The nay sayers will just call this a ploy to try to take their ATV's away.
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      • #4
        I'll ask the moose standing in my driveway eating.

        If this study is true Rudy Whitshirk will have to quit screaming about atv hunting slaugtering all the moose. For most it's impposible to shoot over a mile.

        wish someone would show this study to the moose in anchorage that cars are a lot like atvs and maybe they could stay away from the roads.
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        • #5
          Must be why the Salmon are avoiding the boats too...Must be.

          Splains a lot of what I have been wondering about.

          Makes a lot of sense....If you don't think about it!!!
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          • #6
            Originally posted by jkb View Post
            I'll ask the moose standing in my driveway eating.
            take a couple shots at him every once in a while, see if he sticks around...



            Originally posted by jkb View Post
            wish someone would show this study to the moose in anchorage that cars are a lot like atvs and maybe they could stay away from the roads.
            of course, if the humans in anchorage stopped and shot the moose once in a while instead of each other then i doubt they would be so complacent.
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            • #7
              Yes but I think there is a law that if you are shooting inside Anchorage you have to hold your gun tilted sideways...
              Might work on a pistol but kind of tough with a rifle.
              Mike
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              • #8
                A ski trail is two narrow grooves in the snow that would be extremely hard for a moose to walk on. If you had a snowmobile you would fine it almost impossible to get a moose off a snowmobile trail because it a hard flat surface. Another thing if you took the time and learn something about moose behavior, you would find if a moose hears a person walking or a vehicle they walk into the brush until they feel safe and come out and continue feeding.

                I remember a report done by a biologist and paid for by anti. She took blood from local moose and from an area where moose had no human contact and compare it to determine what effect noise has in moose. The result was noise has no effect on moose.
                The anti attack the report because they like youíre are not interested in the truth.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mike Echo View Post
                  Yes but I think there is a law that if you are shooting inside Anchorage you have to hold your gun tilted sideways...
                  Might work on a pistol but kind of tough with a rifle.
                  Mike

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                  • #10
                    There is plenty of evidence that runs counter to the results of this study.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Rutting Moose View Post
                      A ski trail is two narrow grooves in the snow that would be extremely hard for a moose to walk on. If you had a snowmobile you would fine it almost impossible to get a moose off a snowmobile trail because it a hard flat surface. Another thing if you took the time and learn something about moose behavior, you would find if a moose hears a person walking or a vehicle they walk into the brush until they feel safe and come out and continue feeding.

                      I remember a report done by a biologist and paid for by anti. She took blood from local moose and from an area where moose had no human contact and compare it to determine what effect noise has in moose. The result was noise has no effect on moose.
                      The anti attack the report because they like youíre are not interested in the truth.
                      oh good.
                      thanks for clearing the issue up. your post is so insightful and complete i can not possibly refute it. :shot:
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Rutting Moose View Post
                        A ski trail is two narrow grooves in the snow that would be extremely hard for a moose to walk on. If you had a snowmobile you would fine it almost impossible to get a moose off a snowmobile trail because it a hard flat surface. Another thing if you took the time and learn something about moose behavior, you would find if a moose hears a person walking or a vehicle they walk into the brush until they feel safe and come out and continue feeding.

                        I remember a report done by a biologist and paid for by anti. She took blood from local moose and from an area where moose had no human contact and compare it to determine what effect noise has in moose. The result was noise has no effect on moose.
                        The anti attack the report because they like youíre are not interested in the truth.
                        Maybe some remote ski trails are like that. I am referring to groomed, packed ski trails in and around Anchorage, Fairbanks, Soldotna, etc... these are frequently 12-15' wide (wider than most snowmachine trails) and hard packed from almost daily grooming. Although you seem moose cross the trails and hang out for short periods of time, it is not all that common to see them frequently use the trail to travel on. It does appear that they tire of having to encounter humans, either on foot or on ATV's and have learned to not spend all their time on trails/paths even though it would be a much easier route.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by homerdave View Post
                          take a couple shots at him every once in a while, see if he sticks around...





                          of course, if the humans in anchorage stopped and shot the moose once in a while instead of each other then i doubt they would be so complacent.
                          The moose that do get shot at by atvs end up dead and have very little chance of being "driven" away from trails. I highly doubt the other moose put two and two together. Moose go where the habitat habitat habitat is best. I know a party that has shot 20 bulls in the same section of river in the past 9 years and the moose still cross there. It's all about pockets of game in the best habitat. The amount of moose killed in the first 5 miles of the trail out of eureka has remained shockingly high every year as long as I can remember . They've riding atvs on that section of trail for at least 30 years. Last season during the 3 brow tine slaughter in august I saw at least 10 kills within sight of the trail 50yds to 1 mile on one day trip. Take a ride up there this fall and look around you find the same amount of kills but it's great habitat. I believe this study is flawed nothing to do with fear of losing riding areas just years of sitting on high ground watching moose behaiver.
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                          • #14
                            Two seasons ago my daughter had a youth tag out at Pt. Mak. The first few days we hunted, we hunted on foot and left the ATV in the truck for after we killed one. On the fourth day without seeing a moose we unloaded the ATV and struck out for exploration. As most of you know, the area is covered in ATV trails. Every single one of those trails showed huge quantities of moose traffic. On one trail it looked as if a herd of caribou had run down the trail for two miles and all the tracks were fresh. No way are you going to convince me that moose avoid ATV trails like the plague. I also know that they hear you coming from a long ways away and slink off into the woods, so hunting from the ATV is foolhardy. We spotted 5 bulls, all not legal for her tag, in one stretch of ATV trail 3 miles long. All were about 50 to 100 yards off the trail looking right at us. Had I not had me eagle eyed daughter along I would have never even seen them.

                            I'd love to see the study. Depending on the time of the year, density of moose in the habitat, and type of ATV traffic (high speed sport vs. slow speed mud running) could change the results drastically. Moose don't need to be around ATV trails and if the population density is not dense enough, they most likely will avoid the trials. Pack more moose into that same habitat they will eat closer to the trails. In the winter around here I could easily collar a bunch of moose and say they avoid trails that snowmachines run on. For most of the season it's the complete truth when snow depths are low. However, when snow depths are deep they are thick on the trails and it really helps them move from food source to food source.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by homerdave View Post
                              oh good.
                              thanks for clearing the issue up. your post is so insightful and complete i can not possibly refute it. :shot:
                              Go back and keep looking at the anti sites you love to visit, Iím sure you will find the something more to your liking.

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