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  • Brown Bear Charge Question

    Just got done watching a Moose/Brown Bear hunt on the outdoor channel, DVR is the best thing invented, but they took a brown bear out of Cardova, well 2 out of there. Crew and guide stalked a boar and took a shot about about 50 yards. The bear jumped and turned and walked away and then they shot again. Just as the second shot rang you could see a sow and her cubs crest a little grassy mound and they spotted the crew and shooter. The sow with cubs started to charge. The guide jumped up started to yell to scare them away but she kept coming, he lowered the gun, allowed her to get within 8 yards and shot. The guide seemed very upset and said it was unfortunate but just wonding how much you scan the area for other bears when you shoot. The film showed him come over the grassy mound and then prepare to shoot. I am sure they looked around before but just didn't know how common this was for all of them to be together. At the end of the show there was a note to say that it was investigated by Fish and Game and was deamed to be a DLP (Defense of Life and Property) and they were cleared.

    Found it intresting to watch but just didn't know how common it was.
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  • #2
    I have seen this show and i think he did the right thing,that bear was coming like an express train right at him,and i think he said something like this about the charge "there were no question about the bears intentions".It was a kill or be killed situation.I think he did the right thing ,fish and game also did..

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    • #3
      "How good do I scan the area before shooting a bear?"

      The best I can!

      This year I had to shoot a DLP bear. If I could have done it any other way I would have! But apparently this bear was not viewable from my glassing point which is almost always the case when glassing a mountain and I didn't know it was there until it charged me from the brush!

      - Clint
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      • #4
        no-brainer

        it's not even up for debate, the bear had to die.

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        • #5
          I'm always watching for bear, and especially bear sign, simply to try to stay one jump ahead of what's going on around me.

          Haven't seen the show (I refuse to watch the OC), but your description and the official findings make it sound like a credible DLP.

          Each bear is different, and in my experience very few "charges" are the real thing and justify shooting. I've been charged several time, but never felt the situation justified a shot.

          Two examples from this season: I startled a 4- or 5-year old in broken country, and it ran from me like a scalded cat--- almost over the top of my wife and our hunting companion. It was coming at them like 90, but veered and went on over the hill. From their viewpoint it was a charge, but that poor little guy only wanted out of there.

          A second "charge" actually was a charge, sort of. A couple of young-of-year cubs appeared suddenly about 50 yards from me, with mom right behind. Her head came up when she saw me and she made three big stiff legged hops toward me, woofing each time her feet hit the ground. She stopped about 30 yards out (remember, I said they were big hops) and stood broadside to me. I slowly started backing up and she ran back to her cubs and chased them into the bushes.

          Was she charging? Yup. Did she mean to hurt me? Nope. She was just being a good mom. I was startled, but wouldn't have felt justified in shooting her unless she started again after stopping. In fact, I didn't even raise my gun.

          Each situation is different, and more often than not you simply can't see the bear beforehand.
          "Lay in the weeds and wait, and when you get your chance to say something, say something good."
          Merle Haggard

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          • #6
            You can go to Cabela's online and watch the video. It was a bummer deal but that bear was NOT going to stop and the guide did every thing he could to prevent the mishap, including waiting till the bear was at 8 feet! on a dead run before he shot. IMO he waited a little to long , but none the less he did everthing he could. Great video and codos to the guide for keeping a cool head.

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            • #7
              On my DLP bear, I was stalking a black bear and was within' 100 yards of where I had last seen it. I was approaching a clump of alders when I heard movement coming toward me. When the brown bear appeared it was approx 25 yards. The second it saw me it drop it's head and charged. I made a mental note of a small bush just in front of me,(approx 8 yards) as soon as the bear crossed that line I hit it in the head with my .300 Wtby. It dropped and rolled about 5 feet from me. I jacked another shell in as it flew by and hit it in the shoulder.... It happened FAST!

              My Brother-in-law was right behind me and didn't even see or know what was happening until it was almost over. He said that all he saw was a blur of fur going by! It was very close!!!

              I too have been bluff charged before and I knew as soon as this bear looked at me that it meant to harm me! I hope I never have to shoot another DLP bear again... I don't mind being charged if it's the bear that I want though. I kinda like the whole danger thing....

              - Clint
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              • #8
                Its really up to you to judge the situation and decide what is best.In this perticular charge i think he did the right thing...He maked sure before he took the shot to try to scare of the bear,thats the right way to go i think.Shouthing first then take the shoot but only if your life is in danger.

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                • #9
                  Bear

                  First off the bear was at 8 yards not 8 feet (huge difference). I've watched the video on tv a couple of times. It looks to me that she is pulling up just as the guide shoots. Would have been able to tell for sure if the camera guy had the nads to stay where he was in the first place. Not saying I would have let her come any closer. It all happens real fast and I would probably have shot her too.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sh View Post
                    it's not even up for debate, the bear had to die.
                    no question it was a needed shot, but just wondered for those that have been charged if a warning shot would be enough to send the message to a bear (if you have room to chamber another round) or once the bear starts its path, nothing will stop it.
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                    • #11
                      I've never had a warning shot do any good at all- whether a 270 grain 375 H&H bullet between the ears at close range or into the water/mud in front of a bear. Cracker shells have worked for me, but only with the provision that they stop and explode between you and the bear rather than go off behind the bear. Shoot them into the ground or pay the price. Oh my!

                      I'll save my bullets for the real job, but always till the last possible moment and aimed precisely so it's a one shot argument if at all possible. In the experience of friends who work on fish wiers around lots of bears, a high pitched scream works better than a warning shot, but my mouth has always been too dry to try it. Sure my vocal cords have been stretched tight enough for a silent dog whistle, but there ain't much air moving around.
                      "Lay in the weeds and wait, and when you get your chance to say something, say something good."
                      Merle Haggard

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                      • #12
                        Where can we see it?

                        Originally posted by AKDSLDOG View Post
                        You can go to Cabela's online and watch the video. It was a bummer deal but that bear was NOT going to stop and the guide did every thing he could to prevent the mishap, including waiting till the bear was at 8 feet! on a dead run before he shot. IMO he waited a little to long , but none the less he did everthing he could. Great video and codos to the guide for keeping a cool head.
                        Sled Dog, Where can we see the video online on Cabela's? I've checked all over and can't seem to find it-

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                        • #13
                          I saw the video also. It was on the tsiu river closer to Yakutat I believe. I think what ever you do,you will be critized after by some. Some like to think they would have done something different. I myself think it was justifiable DLP. She had a cub with her and that kicks in some strong instincts. Twenty four feet and coming is waiting long enough for me as well as for the ADFG.
                          goldbelt

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                          • #14
                            Here is the link for those that havent seen it.

                            http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/co...equestid=64709

                            Click on the moose and brown bear hunt

                            Would have been a dead sow for sure if it were me. She got way too close to wait any longer.

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                            • #15
                              Done all he could have

                              In my opinion the guide did all he could have to save the life of the sow. That sow came running at the sound of the shots, like the island bears do, and putting a shell in the dirt would have made little difference other than send her into an all out rage at a higher gear. I have looked close at the video and it appears that there may have been four bears in the area, but they did not show up until after the first shot and the bore was down. It could be that the fourth bear was the wounded bore moving over the sand hill in the background. This is just observation and not bring any questions into play. I have to also give credit to the assistant guide for not putting a slug into her a lot sooner, and to the hunter for not shooting the guide in the back.

                              This was a great guide doing what had to be done at the last possible moment.... Great Video!

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