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    On Sept.10,2006, Alaskan State Troopers ended my hunt because of violations by my Alaskan outfitter.Troopers apologized to my group stating we were not at fault but they had been monitoring this guide for some time. Can anyone suggest what I can do to possible recover any of our money,in excess of 30K. Or any actions that we may take against this outfitter?
    Strawberryfields

  • #2
    Have you talked to a lawyer yet? I'm guessing that's the route you're going to have to take. Ask around there in TX, but you might be better served by an Alaskan lawyer that is familiar with our game laws.

    -Brian

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    • #3
      busted outfitter

      Brian, probably headed that way. Wondering if he was required to carry some type of insurance to protect his clients against hunt interuption.
      Strawberryfields

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      • #4
        Busted?

        These questions need to be asked, what was he busted for, where you hunting out of and finally who was the outfitter? The reason this is important is other guys must have been affected and they may want to get in touch with you to work in a larger action.

        This type of thing is a big black eye on hunting in our state and I hope you guys are asking lots of questions before you pony up your deposits. We had a similar problem up here in Kotz this fall and more people who know the less damage these unscrupulous outfitters/transporters will do next year

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        • #5
          I sent you a pm on this issue. Hopefully it helps.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by derouenm View Post
            On Sept.10,2006, Alaskan State Troopers ended my hunt because of violations by my Alaskan outfitter.Troopers apologized to my group stating we were not at fault but they had been monitoring this guide for some time. Can anyone suggest what I can do to possible recover any of our money,in excess of 30K. Or any actions that we may take against this outfitter?


            So what other game violations occurred on this hunt?

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            • #7
              The term "outfitter" is incorrect here. That's why the bust occurred........I believe one of the charges was guiding without a license. Only a "guide" may "outfit" a hunt or hunter. The business involved in this discussion was a TRANSPORTER!
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              • #8
                Somebody involved in this incident is watching these forums very closely. Here is a copy of an e-mail from somebody involved.

                "
                <The transporter> also had violations as stated on page 10, paragraphs 3-4. He was not cited for these.
                "



                Don't have a clue what the sender means by page 10 paragraph 3-4. I looked in the Regulation book and could not find any reference to anything about this thread.
                Last edited by Webmaster; 09-27-2006, 22:27.

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                • #9
                  A clue

                  Originally posted by AlleninAlaska View Post
                  Somebody involved in this incident is watching these forums very closely. Here is a copy of an e-mail from somebody involved.

                  "
                  <The transporter> also had violations as stated on page 10, paragraphs 3-4. He was not cited for these.
                  "



                  Don't have a clue what the sender means by page 10 paragraph 3-4. I looked in the Regulation book and could not find any reference to anything about this thread.
                  Allen,

                  Just speculating, but might he be referring to page 10, paragraph four of the Alaska Hunting Regulations? Here's what I found there:

                  "Hunters should be aware that except for a registered or master guide it is illegal for anyone to provide for compensatoin any supplies, equipment or services (other than transportation) to a big game hunter in the field. In other words, transporters and individuals cannot legally provide for compensation vehicles, fuel, bear bait and/or stations, camping, hunting or game processing equipment or any hunting services such as cleaning of game, glassing, packing, etc. from a permanent or nonpermanent structure in the field or on a boat on saltwater.

                  Licensed transporters may provide transportation services and accommodations (room and board) only at a personally-owned permanent structure in the field, or on a boat on saltwater. It is illegal for a transporter to accompany or remain in the field at a non-permanent structure with a big game hunter who is a client of the person except as necessary to perform transportation services.

                  Unlicensed individuals cannot legally provide transportation service or accommodations for compensation."


                  Perhaps that's the section they were talking about.

                  -Mike
                  Last edited by Webmaster; 09-27-2006, 22:27.
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                  • #10
                    Maybe legal?

                    after reading the law in the post above, I wonder if your legally transporting clients via raft down a river on a multi-day trip say 50-100 miles, would you not have to be in the field daily? to perform necessary transportation services daily? as quoted "It is illegal for a transporter to accompany or remain in the field at a non-permanent structure with a big game hunter who is a client of the person except as necessary to perform transportation services". There's probably more to this, but thats my thoughts.
                    Frank
                    Alaska Wildrose Charters and Cabins
                    www.wildroselodge.com

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by profishguide View Post
                      after reading the law in the post above, I wonder if your legally transporting clients via raft down a river on a multi-day trip say 50-100 miles, would you not have to be in the field daily? to perform necessary transportation services daily? as quoted "It is illegal for a transporter to accompany or remain in the field at a non-permanent structure with a big game hunter who is a client of the person except as necessary to perform transportation services". There's probably more to this, but thats my thoughts.

                      My thoughts exactly Frank.

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                      • #12
                        Transporter

                        You guys keep mentioning "Transporter". Doesn't a transporter need a license? According to the state web site on licensing <the transporter> did not have a license. Or, is the state web site in error?

                        Just go there and type in any name you want, you do not have to put the code in such as "T" for transporter or "G" for guide. Just the persons name.
                        Last edited by Webmaster; 09-27-2006, 22:26.

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                        • #13
                          How about Business Name?

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                          • #14
                            Business Name

                            You don't need a business name. License's for guides and transportes are given to individuals.

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                            • #15
                              compensation

                              It definitely seems like a more complex case than first glance. You can see the confusion if you know people aren’t clear about the game laws yet you are prohibited from having any contact in the field particularly advising anyone and can only provide transportation. Or what if you see a violation going to occur but you cannot contact or advise anyone you are pretty much stuck with getting involved with people breaking the law. As far as getting your money back, I think it depends on the legal outcome. If the hunt was ended because of violations of some of the hunters causing law enforcement to intervene then the money may be gone. But if the transporter actually has no credentials to do what you paid him to do you probably will have a case to get the money back. In this case where both parties may have violations the court may order some compensations after the case in adjudicated (Like the transporter paying back the clients who use the money to pay their fines), but I probably watch too much court tv…
                              “I come home with an honestly earned feeling that something good has taken place. It makes no difference whether I got anything, it has to do with how the day was spent. “ Fred Bear

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