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  • Indictement of AK Big Game Guides/Lodge

    Is it true that the Feds indicted Jim Jairell, and Alan Veys for conducting illegal bear hunts from Pybus Point Lodge?

  • #2
    Your source is?

    Deadfish,

    I have no connection whatsoever with either the people or place that you have named in your post, and I have no reason whatsoever to doubt what you say...

    However, given the amount of damage a statement like you've provided can cause, and since you've not quoted an information source, before I delete this thread I'd like to ask "what is your source?".

    Steve

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    • #3
      Bravo Steve.
      "Lay in the weeds and wait, and when you get your chance to say something, say something good."
      Merle Haggard

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      • #4
        You would think the troopers would be involved since most game violations are state jurisdictions. A search of the trooper reports back to 5 July does not show anything concerning these names or the Lodge name. It may be unfounded.

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        • #5
          I recently located an article in the Anchorage Daily News, Sat. July 22, 2006.

          Alaska Digest section. That states that Veys and Jareill were indicted.

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          • #6
            slippery slope......

            Gentlemen.......This a very slippery slope you're going down.

            I realize this was posted in the form of a "question", but the under-lying message is LOUD & CLEAR.

            This is no different than when Mr. Strahan posted a similar message about me, he did it in the form of a "question", very slippery. The message was recieved loud & clear and the damage was done. Very slippery. Its hard to respect someone who choses this approach. Coyote mentality.

            I would urge everyone to show some common courtesy and respect. Don't jump to conclusion and keep an open mind. Sometimes the FACTS can be a lot different than the allegations.

            For what its worth, try to imagine if someday you found yourself in a comprising position. Having lots of people talking about you, talking about things they really don't know anything about. In your gut you'd like to "set the record straight", however for the time being you've been instructed to NOT talk about the allegations. Try to imagine how you'd feel and then act accordingly in this situation, show some respect. Nothing worse than the "wolf pack" mentality.

            good hunting...>Byron Lamb

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            • #7
              'Forum' should not equal gossip...

              let it go...'nuff (too much actually) said....

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              • #8
                No Gossip

                For anyone interested, here is a link to the article deadfish was referencing:

                http://search.adn.com/search-bin/sea...wb_target=veys

                No gossip, just the facts as published in the Anchorage Daily News. And as Mr. Lamb pointed out, this may not be the whole truth. An indictment only means that probable cause exists, not that it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
                "Beware the man with only one gun; he may know how to use it."

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                • #9
                  finger pointing

                  Although i know nothing of this story besides what i have read here today you shouldnt point fingers so harshly. it seams to me that these guys make a living by guiding and any public negativity could put their careers and their own and their families welfare at risk. They may or may not have intentionaly or non intentionaly broken the law. At least give them the benefit of the doubt until they are proven without doubt to have been negligent.

                  For example Im giving everyone who writes and reads on this forum the benifit of the doubt that they are smart enuogh not to beleive everything they read in the newspaper and also that they might be willing to hear both sides before taking a side.

                  Jeez people were alaskans lets hold ourselves to a higher standerd.

                  My 2 cents.

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                  • #10
                    honest disclosure, not slander

                    no one said that they were guilty.

                    if it is in the newspaper and has been substaniated that they were charged then why not mention it? maybe someone is about to book a hunt with them and would like to know this info' so that an informed decision can be made.

                    i have been thru this myself, knowledge is power.
                    Cold Zero
                    Member: S.C.I., N.R.A. Life Endowment Member & L.E. Tactical Firearms Instr.

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                    • #11
                      allegations...

                      Originally posted by cold zero
                      no one said that they were guilty.

                      if it is in the newspaper and has been substaniated that they were charged then why not mention it? maybe someone is about to book a hunt with them and would like to know this info' so that an informed decision can be made.

                      i have been thru this myself, knowledge is power.

                      Cold Zero--you nailed a good point. I read NOTHING in deadfishes post to demean these guys, he only reported the latest news. I would want to know this if I was booking a hunt. period. Only ADN readers would see this, presumably.
                      These gentlemen are innocent until proven otherwise, but this is noteworthy to other hunters.
                      Byron certainly does have a point, however. News is one thing, piling on is another. I have seen others piled-on after news was posted...
                      Proud to be an American!

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                      • #12
                        Valid questions

                        Its certainly a valid question to find out if someone is under a felony indictment before you book a hunt with them. I'm all for the courts treating him innocent until proven guilty, but I'm not going to give a guy several thousand dollars up front for a hunt if he may be out of business or in prison by the time my hunt rolls around.

                        Its one thing to not slander the guy all over the internet or judge him before the courts do. Its another to give him a pile of money and become vested in his legal problems. Even he's completely innocent and the greatest person on the planet, it would be insane to invest my money when the outcome of the court case is uncertain. If he is convicted, then it becomes my problem. It may be unfair, but sorry, no thank you.

                        Hopefully the courts will judge all fairly.

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                        • #13
                          full disclosure

                          if they are convicted. i would think that they would lose their license in the process. then were does that leave you? somehow , a refund is no longer the top priority.

                          p.s. i already went thru this in another state. the outfitter told me the charges were b.s. and i need not worry about it. shortly thereafter he pled guilty. i wish i had found out about the charges before sending the deposit, instead of after.

                          i don't think the mods here would allow anyone to slander someone on their pages....m.h.o.
                          Cold Zero
                          Member: S.C.I., N.R.A. Life Endowment Member & L.E. Tactical Firearms Instr.

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                          • #14
                            steve;

                            not allowing deadfish to get the word out can cause a lot of damage also. try looking at this from all sides. many guys would not want to send a deposit to guys who are mired in legal problems that could lead to the end of their business.

                            deadfish did not pull this out of his rear end , he read it in the newspaper and it has been confirmed that these guys have been charged, so why cover it up? you wanted to know his source and it is a matter of public record.
                            Cold Zero
                            Member: S.C.I., N.R.A. Life Endowment Member & L.E. Tactical Firearms Instr.

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                            • #15
                              Question

                              I think if everyone looks back at the original post, Deadfish just asked a question. He acussed no one, made no statements and was just trying to find the answers to a rumor at the time.

                              If we can't ask questions, then we will never have any answers.

                              Patriot Life Member NRA
                              Life Member Veterans of Foreign Wars
                              Life Member Disabled American Veterans


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