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  • Camping and hunting in a cua (controlled use area)

    I want to know everyone’s interpretation of camping with a hunting party when hunting within a cua.

    Just to be clear, here is what it states regarding the CUA:

    “Closed to the use of any motorized vehicle for hunting, including the transportation of hunters, their hunting gear, or parts of game, except for brown/grizzly bears, wolves, and small game from March 15 through June 30; however, this provision does not prohibit motorized access, or transportation of game, on the Denali Highway”

    Scenario:

    A couple of guys are going hunting and walking or biking in to Maclaren glacier/river and floating out. Partner #3 is a non-resident and NOT a licensed hunter and is just going camping on the trip and mostly going to stay in camp and cook; maybe stray and pick blue berries and take pictures. Both hunting buddies bicycle in, or walk in with a raft/canoe and hunting/camping gear and partner #3 drives a truck in with his personal gear at the same time.

    Since partner # 3 is camping and not hunting, what gear can he bring in? Can he bring in his own raft, since it’s a float trip? His own food and camp gear? If he’s not hunting and just camping with a hunting party what personal gear and camping gear can he bring? Is this a legit scenario or not? Does this violate the spirit of the law or not?

    Tim

  • #2
    Definitely borderline in my opinion, I don't know how the hunters could prove their gear was not hauled in the truck, or even if they need to.


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    • #3
      I believe it is impossible for the non hunter to not assist in any way. The headlights are assisting the walk at night. The extra body in camp is assisting with camp chores. Just having a vehicle there is assisting with the safety and security aspect of the hunt. I think it is unethical and way to gray area for me to consider participating in, not to mention the appearance of wrong doing that I would want no part of.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by tccak71 View Post
        Since partner # 3 is camping and not hunting, what gear can he bring in? Can he bring in his own raft, since it’s a float trip? His own food and camp gear? If he’s not hunting and just camping with a hunting party what personal gear and camping gear can he bring? Is this a legit scenario or not? Does this violate the spirit of the law or not?

        Tim
        IMO he can bring in ONLY his gear. If they are stop by a LEO the officer will be very suspicious of the truth. If a slip of the tongue make the LEO think someone is lying you will be in trouble. Be very careful what you say, everything you say will be recorded and used against you.

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        • #5
          I think it would be difficult to convince an officer that the truck parked at a hunting camp was used solely by your buddy for non-hunting purposes. I think this scenario would guarantee a visit by an officer. If I saw your scenario back there I'd have some serious questions and may report it.

          I think it would be a lot easier to just rent a pack raft (lightweight) and have him walk in with you. I know if I was guy #3 I would feel like poop if I couldn't help out doing anything. Plus, why wouldn't guy #1 and #2 want the extra help of #3?

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          • #6
            I believe that if you are hunting,, no motorized. If someone wants to hang, throw on a pack and walk in. Asking for drama otherwise. That is what we do.

            "I refuse to let the things I can't do stop me from doing the things I can"

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            • #7
              While I think it would technically be legal, I wouldn't be one to try it out. If for no other reason, I wouldn't want the hassle of trying to explain the situation and possibly having to fight a citation if the LEO didn't believe me or didn't interpret the regs the same way. Really, if I am hiking/biking in to an area with all my camping and hunting gear, why wouldn't the other member(s) of the camping trip be able to do the same with their gear?

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              • #8
                Spirit of the law VS the letter of the law.

                We all know what the spirit of the law is here. It boils down to what your morals allow you to do whether its ok to use a loophole in the law should there be one. A walk in hunt is a walk in hunt in my book.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by theultrarider View Post
                  Spirit of the law VS the letter of the law.

                  We all know what the spirit of the law is here. It boils down to what your morals allow you to do whether its ok to use a loophole in the law should there be one. A walk in hunt is a walk in hunt in my book.
                  +1,, what he said.
                  "I refuse to let the things I can't do stop me from doing the things I can"

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                  • #10
                    Ditto........
                    Originally posted by theultrarider View Post
                    spirit of the law vs the letter of the law.

                    We all know what the spirit of the law is here. It boils down to what your morals allow you to do whether its ok to use a loophole in the law should there be one. A walk in hunt is a walk in hunt in my book.
                    "Essential......to Prepping for Survival, is to be able to segregate, what you think will happen, from what you hope will happen, from what you fear will happen, from what is happening".

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                    • #11
                      This is how we did it, coming out, meat on the bottom, camp on top. My non hunting girlfriend walked in and we had a blast.

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                      • #12
                        I think Tim knew the answer from the start but wondered if he set his standards to high on right and wrong.
                        Now left only to be a turd in the forrest and the circle will be complete.Use me as I have used you

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                        • #13
                          It's really not a good idea to push it. If you really want to try this, you might check ahead of time with the trooper(s) who patrol that area, to let them know what you're thinking of doing, ask if it's okay, and get a very clear idea of the boundaries of what the out-of-stater can do with the truck if anything. My guess is they would say don't bring the truck, period.
                          Jason
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                          • #14
                            I think you could do it if partner #3 maintained a separate camp, cooking, tent, etc. His camp would have to be some distance, don't ask me what, away from the hunters camp. No assistance could be offered to the hunters and hunters camp. Maybe you could have a beverage together at night!!
                            But in no way would I think it was worth the risk!!!!!
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                            • #15
                              Yes, shorthanded LE has tough enough chores - make it easier for them - and you.
                              Gray areas begone.
                              "Punish the monkey - let the organ grinder go" - Mark Knopfler

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