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  • Fall Black Bear Hunt (gonna happen but of course I still have questions)

    Well Im in year five of trying to make this happen and now I am committed to September 2015 (I even have the kitchen pass). I got a lot of good info from you guys on here which has helped me with my planning. However one issue is still undecided. I have decided to charter a flight out in the Kenai NWR area instead of hunting the highway. The flight service I am looking at using has been very helpful however they offer an "unguided" hunt option in which they drop you in a pre-scouted area or I could just do the straight charter to wherever I tell them to take me. Flight time is charged with a one hour minimum. Any opinions on this would be more than appreciated.

    Good Huntin
    TH

  • #2
    unless you have time to scout or reliable info then i would take the option to let them take you to a pre scouted area unless you know something they dont. a minimum rate is common since it wouldnt be of much benifit to the pilot to fire up the plane for a 10 min ride and pro rate it. sounds like you've got a good plan to me.

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    • #3
      What do they mean by "pre-scouted"? Are they also licensed as a registered guide or are they just an air taxi/transporter?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by wags View Post
        What do they mean by "pre-scouted"? Are they also licensed as a registered guide or are they just an air taxi/transporter?

        this question also came to my mind...Charter operators and NOT guides...either they are using a bogus sales pitch to get you to book, or they don't know the law.
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        • #5
          maybe i dont know the law either but shouldnt transporters have a pretty good idea where game is at?? if not wouldn't it just be a shot in the dark? i have no clue about the outfit this guy is talking about but i know all the caribou transporters up here generally have a good idea where the herds are at and where to put people if not there wouldnt be a ton of repeat customers. maybe the OP is saying they'll put him where they would expect to see bears and they know some are around.

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          • #6
            Where have you guys been? Charter Operators have been offering fly-out non guided hunts for years. Naturally its in their best interest for their hunters they transport to be successful. Good luck on your hunt Tex. Great time of year to be on the Kenai.

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            • #7
              drop offs are fine...to my knowledge locating animals for drop offs is not..but maybe that law has changed or I misunderstood it. Which is entirely possible. LOL
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              • #8
                I'm no expert but it seems I recall in my reading that they transporters are not allowed to offer any advise on where to find animals. It seems a grey area if you say "take me to somewhere I can shoot a bear" and they fly you out and drop you off. I think they've always operated that way and it seems to fly, if you will...


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                • #9
                  I'm with Juli on this one; any operator who is offering to take you to a "pre-scouted area" is raising some legitimate questions here. And I would add that even if they are a registered guide for the area, aerial scouting is strictly verboten for guides.

                  (d) Field craft standards. All classes of guides shall
                  (8) avoid using an aircraft in any manner to spot big game for the purpose of taking a specific animal...
                  In fairness to the quote, there are exceptions, but I don't believe they apply in this case.

                  I don't want to make more of this than it is, and I suspect there's more to the story here. BUT... if the air charter is offering to scout an area from the air, I would not touch them with a ten-foot pole. Do your own scouting, by conducting proper research! We have put a ton of effort into providing you with detailed instructions on how to do this. The information is available, you just have to do the work yourself. I fear that too many of us have asked air charter operators to play amateur game biologist by us asking them to take us to a good place for (fill in your species of choice). A better request would be to ask them how much it costs to go to (fill in the location you arrived at through proper research). Keeps it simpler for them, puts your success or failure in your hands (where it belongs), and avoids all these legal entanglements.

                  If you don't know where to begin the research process, you can start AT THIS LINK to the main page of our hunt planning section, or you can hire a commercial hunt planner, who will do this together with you. Yes, it's a ton of work, but it's tons of fun too, and I believe you get much better results.

                  Not beating you up here, by the way. You probably didn't know most of this.

                  Best of luck!

                  -Mike
                  Michael Strahan
                  Site Owner
                  Alaska Hunt Consultant
                  1 (907) 229-4501

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                  • #10
                    Hey tex Hunter your inbox is full

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by JuliW View Post
                      this question also came to my mind...Charter operators and NOT guides...either they are using a bogus sales pitch to get you to book, or they don't know the law.
                      Sorry, air charters "can" be owned and operated by registered guides as well.......
                      Sheep hunting...... the pain goes away, but the stupidity remains...!!!

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                      • #12
                        Eehhhh not completely accurate.
                        I agree with your points.....but "aerial scouting strictly forboten" is not accurate. In the statute you quoted even, it says "specific animal". IE find a moose in a marsh; camp on it and kill in morn. NOT flying an area counting what u have in the pre-season. (Guide)
                        If you fly someone in and fly the area a bit that's very different. Do the clients need to be blindfolded if you circle the strip?

                        There's some amount of "gray area". I won't argue with you it's wrong but not illegal to my knowledge. Surely not via the statute posted. If I was at home computer I'd look it up, but it says transporter can't "assist in take" or something of sort which can be construed to the never ending aerial scouting debate.

                        Respectfully,
                        KA

                        Originally posted by Michael Strahan View Post
                        I'm with Juli on this one; any operator who is offering to take you to a "pre-scouted area" is raising some legitimate questions here. And I would add that even if they are a registered guide for the area, aerial scouting is strictly verboten for guides.


                        In fairness to the quote, there are exceptions, but I don't believe they apply in this case.

                        I don't want to make more of this than it is, and I suspect there's more to the story here. BUT... if the air charter is offering to scout an area from the air, I would not touch them with a ten-foot pole. Do your own scouting, by conducting proper research! We have put a ton of effort into providing you with detailed instructions on how to do this. The information is available, you just have to do the work yourself. I fear that too many of us have asked air charter operators to play amateur game biologist by us asking them to take us to a good place for (fill in your species of choice). A better request would be to ask them how much it costs to go to (fill in the location you arrived at through proper research). Keeps it simpler for them, puts your success or failure in your hands (where it belongs), and avoids all these legal entanglements.

                        If you don't know where to begin the research process, you can start AT THIS LINK to the main page of our hunt planning section, or you can hire a commercial hunt planner, who will do this together with you. Yes, it's a ton of work, but it's tons of fun too, and I believe you get much better results.

                        Not beating you up here, by the way. You probably didn't know most of this.

                        Best of luck!

                        -Mike

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 4merguide View Post
                          Sorry, air charters "can" be owned and operated by registered guides as well.......
                          Surely
                          And what law specifically "don't they know"
                          I mean looking at the OP, I don't see that but maybe I missed it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by limon32 View Post
                            I'm no expert but it seems I recall in my reading that they transporters are not allowed to offer any advise on where to find animals.


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                            so if a guy shows up in kotz, hasnt scouted, hasnt done any research, and doesnt know any location to get a caribou the transporter cant tell him or put him where they are going to be? if thats the case then almost all transported hunts up here are illegal because having joe from the lower 48 walk in and point to a random spot on a map to be dropped off to caribou hunt is going to have little if any chance to shoot anything. sorry to hijack but this all seems a little goofy to me. i guess like you said plenty of grey area to work with.

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                            • #15
                              I know of an ethical boat transporter who will not even point out a bear on the beach, he leaves it up to the hunters to do the spotting/hunting.
                              As far as un-knowledgeable hunters who show up in Kotz without a clue as to where they want to go; they deserve "to have little if any chance to shoot anything". If you don't want to take the time and effort to do your homework then you should hire a Guide.
                              Air transporters are taxis. Think about it this way; you wouldn't get a cab at the airport and just say to the driver "take me somewhere interesting". You do the research regarding what sights you want to see, otherwise you hire a tour Guide.
                              Many transporters are walking a very fine line between guiding and transporting, and the do get pinched on occasion.

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