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  • #16
    Kudos to AK Ray and AGL4now...very well put gents..

    We all know the law enforcement community is strapped thin as it is....if they want to get their boots dirty..so be it...doubt it though. They know there are plenty of bears and some need to go. They are obligated to respond to a call though, so if one of the cabin/home owners makes a call..maybe somone will show up..small community out there and they love it that away...the less attention they get or bring the better..so doubt that too....good luck guys and make some rugs!
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    • #17
      So we will agree to disagree. I don't agree with someone breaking the law and no one saying anything. However, if your feeling is that strong, who am I to tell you your wrong. IMO those people need to be told to move there stands at the very least. For 2 reasons, first it is against the law. Second its the right thing to do. If I had a house (cabin) with in that area, and I didn't know there was a bear stand a 1/2 mile away, I would let my childeren outside to play. They are small helpless people and putting them in the same area as bears is dumb. If I knew there was a stand within a mile of someone's house (no matter if I would want the bears gone or not) i would do the right thing and report them or at the very least tell them to move it. I had to move my stands this year after finding a cabin in my last stand area.

      BTW AGL4now, if you are killing bears and throwing them in a river, are you doing it illegeally? Do you "harvest them or just kill them? Do you report it when you do kill them? Just a thought.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Bsj425 View Post
        For as much talking as you do about illegal stands you not reporting them to the troopers when you have exact locations makes you just as guilty as the perps IMO. Yes you want bears harvested which is awesome and I agree with you that these practices put a black eye on the baiting community and I would like to clean up the image as much as possible. If you dont want to report them shoot me a PM with some coordinates and I will report them even tho I am a couple hundred miles away. If you think they endanger the cabins or not illegal is illegal.
        I disagree, just because he finds one, AGL4now isn't guilty of establishing a bait station illegally, nor does he have a legal obligation to report a percieved illegal bait station to LEO.

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        • #19
          The way I see it not everyone but some say how lazy cops are I call BS. I dont know what everyone else does for a living but this state is huge and we have some many Troopers to do the job and at time people think the should be every where. I dont know of one trooper if you called them and told them where these site are they would check it out. And yes I am a police officer not fish and game but I know alot of troopers. If your not part of the sulotion then your part of the problem. Call it in if nothing happens call the troopers sgt. We are all trying to do the right thing but we all have to take a part in making sure the right things happen.
          Is it opening day of duck season yet
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          • #20
            Originally posted by skybust View Post
            If your not part of the solution then your part of the problem. Call it in if nothing happens call the troopers sgt. We are all trying to do the right thing but we all have to take a part in making sure the right things happen.
            Great comments.. I can't give you feedback since I recently did on another post but your words are worthy of some rep points.

            Originally posted by AGL4now View Post
            Yes.............at mile 5.3 Hope Road. But I don't care, so harvest some black bears. Most likely I picked up someones permitt that was on the ground, as it appears to have been put-up with one small nail. To be clear, I do not care. I just want the bears harvested. There were NO tracks, and the groceries were not touched, even by the birds. Kill Bears.
            For a guy that "doesn't care" you spend a significant amount of time on the issue. Personally, I find it hard to believe anyone can find that many stands and never leave the trail but since I dont know you I have no choice but to take your word for it. Who knows, maybe your a natural magnet for such things - stranger things have happened. That said, it seems to me you must like and/or frankly want the attention and while you claim to want the bears "thinned out" your posts seem to critique bear hunters and baiters more often than not. I know my words may be sharp, but if you "find" what you believe are illegal stands and insist on posting and complaining about them in a public forum you know is a sounding board to the Alaskan hunting and law enforcement community its really not a stretch to get off your keyboard, be proactive, and call a LEO - especially if your honestly worried about your 13 friends with water bottles, dogs, cats, chickens, etc. While your at it, when talking to the LEO ask why they don't patrol your stomping grounds since conditions are so bad. I don't know about anyone else, but I'd be curious to learn their response.

            In the end, I suspect you wont do anything but sit and continue to complain. If that's the case, it's unfortunate, but hey, it's a free country and you have the right to address issues or ignore them. Ill ask this though.. If your not going to report such things quit giving the baiting community a black eye with your negative comments, rants, criticism and reported findings - the majority of the baiting community that works within the law deserves better.
            "He should have been packing a more powerful gun...you have to be a very good shot or very lucky to stop a brown bear with a .357 Magnum." - Rick Sinnott, Alaska Department of Fish and Game biologist after a double attack by a grizzly.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by AlaskanOutdoorsman View Post
              Great comments.. I can't give you feedback since I recently did on another post but your words are worthy of some rep points.



              For a guy that "doesn't care" you spend a significant amount of time on the issue. Personally, I find it hard to believe anyone can find that many stands and never leave the trail but since I dont know you I have no choice but to take your word for it. Who knows, maybe your a natural magnet for such things - stranger things have happened. That said, it seems to me you must like and/or frankly want the attention and while you claim to want the bears "thinned out" your posts seem to critique bear hunters and baiters more often than not. I know my words may be sharp, but if you "find" what you believe are illegal stands and insist on posting and complaining about them in a public forum you know is a sounding board to the Alaskan hunting and law enforcement community its really not a stretch to get off your keyboard, be proactive, and call a LEO - especially if your honestly worried about your 13 friends with water bottles, dogs, cats, chickens, etc. While your at it, when talking to the LEO ask why they don't patrol your stomping grounds since conditions are so bad. I don't know about anyone else, but I'd be curious to learn their response.

              In the end, I suspect you wont do anything but sit and continue to complain. If that's the case, it's unfortunate, but hey, it's a free country and you have the right to address issues or ignore them. Ill ask this though.. If your not going to report such things quit giving the baiting community a black eye with your negative comments, rants, criticism and reported findings - the majority of the baiting community that works within the law deserves better.
              Seconded that and thank you
              Is it opening day of duck season yet
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              • #22
                Originally posted by AlaskanOutdoorsman View Post
                In the end, I suspect you wont do anything but sit and continue to complain. If that's the case, it's unfortunate, but hey, it's a free country and you have the right to address issues or ignore them. Ill ask this though.. If your not going to report such things quit giving the baiting community a black eye with your negative comments, rants, criticism and reported findings - the majority of the baiting community that works within the law deserves better.

                Lets see here in the "END" I hike 3 to 5 miles everyday in the Alaska wilderness...........In the "END" I run My life as I see fit to run it. And in the "END" I don't take advise from people like you. And in the end I live in the wilderness, and you don't. You run your life as you please, at 64 years of age, I don't take advise from anyone but God, and My Doctor......Your Neither.
                ALASKA is a "HARD COUNTRY for OLDMEN". (But if you live it wide'ass open, it is a delightful place to finally just sit-back and savor those memories while sipping Tequila).

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by AGL4now View Post
                  Lets see here in the "END" I hike 3 to 5 miles everyday in the Alaska wilderness...........In the "END" I run My life as I see fit to run it. And in the "END" I don't take advise from people like you. And in the end I live in the wilderness, and you don't. You run your life as you please, at 64 years of age, I don't take advise from anyone but God, and My Doctor......Your Neither.
                  People like me? That's not even worth responding to and your response indicates to me your aware your position is weak at best. That said, your post again proved my point; your anti-baiting agenda is clear just as its clear you would rather be a part of the problem and have something to rant about than address your claims of wrong doing and find a solution or resolve a potential problem. Guess your not all that concerned about your local community after-all as actions speak louder than words. I don't know about anyone else but I for one would expect more from someone who claims to have once been a guide.
                  "He should have been packing a more powerful gun...you have to be a very good shot or very lucky to stop a brown bear with a .357 Magnum." - Rick Sinnott, Alaska Department of Fish and Game biologist after a double attack by a grizzly.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by AlaskanOutdoorsman View Post
                    People like me? That's not even worth responding to. That said, your post again proved my point; your anti-baiting agenda is clear just as its clear you would rather be a part of the problem and have something to rant about than address your claims of wrong doing and find a solution or resolve a potential problem. Guess your not all that concerned about your local community after-all as actions speak louder than words. I don't know about anyone else but I for one would expect more from someone who claims to have once been a guide.

                    I did 5 miles today on the beach of Turnagain Arm today. How was your "Cubical"........?? Frankly' I don't care if the the baiter's kill the bears (My first choice) or if I terminate them an deposit them into Six-Mile creek at 1:45 AM. Either way bear"Be-gone"......
                    ALASKA is a "HARD COUNTRY for OLDMEN". (But if you live it wide'ass open, it is a delightful place to finally just sit-back and savor those memories while sipping Tequila).

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                    • #25
                      You seem to complain alot but when it come to calling the LEO you say they are lazy seems strange to me you are for baiting but everthing you post seems againts it or are just complaining if they are not doing the right thing report it. If your not willing to do thing why do you keep complaining!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by AGL4now View Post
                        I did 5 miles today on the beach of Turnagain Arm today. How was your "Cubical"........?? Frankly' I don't care if the the baiter's kill the bears (My first choice) or if I terminate them an deposit them into Six-Mile creek at 1:45 AM. Either way bear"Be-gone"......
                        now that is the type of thing that gives hunters a bad rap this is probly the most unethical thing i have read on this forum. dont kill it if you wont eat it.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by akscotty View Post
                          now that is the type of thing that gives hunters a bad rap this is probly the most unethical thing i have read on this forum. dont kill it if you wont eat it.
                          Hello........earth to akscotty, hello.....testing 1--2 --3 testing....testing. You are clearly not a farmer, who's livestock is being killed buy bears. I'll cut you a deal, I kill it, You fill out the DLP paper work, You skin it, you flesh it. And I'll laugh my butt off at your rightouness.....
                          ALASKA is a "HARD COUNTRY for OLDMEN". (But if you live it wide'ass open, it is a delightful place to finally just sit-back and savor those memories while sipping Tequila).

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by AGL4now View Post
                            Hello........earth to akscotty, hello.....testing 1--2 --3 testing....testing. You are clearly not a farmer, who's livestock is being killed buy bears. I'll cut you a deal, I kill it, You fill out the DLP paper work, You skin it, you flesh it. And I'll laugh my butt off at your rightouness.....
                            Once again report it but no all LEO are lazy that what you said so why not complain on the sight you are part of the problem not
                            Is it opening day of duck season yet
                            Member of Alaska Waterfowl Association

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                            • #29
                              wow your on heck of a man your a farmer in the "wilderness" with internet that sounds pretty rugged to me, call a leo and stop wasting space on the bear bait thread.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by skybust View Post
                                Once again report it but no all LEO are lazy that what you said so why not complain on the sight you are part of the problem not

                                What part of this is hard to comprehend.........a.) I don't care about some dumb'arse rightness about how others thunk I should run my life.

                                b.)I don't care if you thunk I am part of the problem, As hard as it is to comprehend, I don't give a snit what anyone in their superior condescending dumb'arse evaluation thunks of me or my behavior...........
                                ALASKA is a "HARD COUNTRY for OLDMEN". (But if you live it wide'ass open, it is a delightful place to finally just sit-back and savor those memories while sipping Tequila).

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