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  • What does this really mean?...a regulation question

    I just completed F&G's online clinic on bear baiting and I wanted to know how to define this. To me it's vague and could get someone into trouble if interpreted differently. I PM'd the wildlife trooper, but wondering what you guys think

    Illegal to Harvest Brown Bears at Black Bear Baiting Sites

    No person who knows, or who should know, that a black bear bait station has been established in an area can legally take a brown bear in that same area. If the movements or behavior of the brown bear have been or could have been --affected by the bait laid out for taking black bears, the brown bear is not legal to harvest.
    "What is it about a beautiful sunny afternoon, with the birds singing and the wind rustling through the leaves, that makes you want to get drunk? --Jack Handy

  • #2
    In my opinion it reads that if you harvest a brown bear in any vicinity of a black bear bait station it is illegal - whether you know it or not. The last statement could argue that the bait station could have interrupted the brown bears behavior (making it an illegal harvest) even if you didn't know there was a bait station near by (first statement).

    Interestingly worded statement.


    • #3
      I just looked the 2010 to June 2011 hunting regs up and down and all it says is "Attention All Bear Hunters: You may not hunt brown/grizzly bears over bait or scent lures!", page 26. In 16B where I have my bait stations in the general area I know of at least 3 other hunters that have baits set up. Thats only the ones I know about and I'm sure there are more. I don't see the "in the same area" as being enforceable unless you're within eyeball distance of the actual bait station or station sign.


      • #4
        If you know or think there is a baiting station in the area dont shoot a brown bear. I rather be safe than sorry
        Is it opening day of duck season yet
        Member of Alaska Waterfowl Association


        • #5
          The bold print is clear, it's the paragragh that follows is what's tripping me up. How big is an area? Would I be able to hunt both types from the same campsite? To me, that would be the same area.
          "What is it about a beautiful sunny afternoon, with the birds singing and the wind rustling through the leaves, that makes you want to get drunk? --Jack Handy


          • #6
            GM that same question has been posed over and over again, and its has always been vague as to who qualifies as "persons who should know" it is for that reason that I do not even think of taking griz during bear baiting season in specific units.

            "I Envy Him And Him Only, That Catches More Fish Than I Do" Izaac Walton 1653
            The question of hunting is not a matter of life or death... it's more important than that


            • #7
              To me, it gives a trooper very wide latitude to write a ticket, and a very small burden of proof to prove you are guilty.


              • #8
                If you kill a brown bear in the vicinity of a bait station and you are checked by a trooper he now has incentive to write you a ticket. Regardless if you killed it over bait or not.
                "Ya can't stop a bad guy with a middle finger and a bag of quarters!!!!"- Ted Nugent.


                • #9
                  What's the alternative? Just make it legal to kill brown bears over bait?

                  I mean they have to draw the line in the sand somewhere...and let the field guys sort it out...

                  although I can see a situation where a guy new to an area wants to go bear hunting and has no clue there are baits nearby...


                  • #10
                    What I have done in the past is to contact the enforcement officer that works the area I wanted to hunt and spoke with them. Around Fairbanks there are areas that are known bait areas, those will get you into trouble.

                    I also DO NOT hunt Brown bears any where near where I have a bait station.

                    Document who you speak with and what was said.

                    Be safe and good luck

                    "I refuse to let the things I can't do stop me from doing the things I can"


                    • #11
                      Well, one thing for sure if you harvest a brown bear anywhere near your own bait station there would be no difficulty proving this regulation. Otherwise you are probably pretty safe if you dont see any bear baiting signs.
                      I come home with an honestly earned feeling that something good has taken place. It makes no difference whether I got anything, it has to do with how the day was spent. Fred Bear


                      • #12
                        The way I handle it. If I see a brown bear in the area I'm baiting...Its his lucky day he gets a pass on getting shot. Way to much gray area to take the shot. If you think you win this fight with fish and game you won't. If your hunting bait station it's best to pass up the shot.
                        Do I give my friends advice? Jesus, no. They wouldn't take advice from me. Nobody should take advice from me. I haven't got a clue about anything..


                        • #13
                          I called Fish and Game today on it today and I posed the question.....Can I set up camp, hike 2 miles west and hunt black bear over my bait station, then the next day hike 2 miles east of camp and hunt brown bear? His response was " we'll see how the investigation turns out". That was enough for me. he said best practice is to plan 2 seperate hunts/2 seperate places.
                          He also said there has been some pressure from AK Guides to close baiting because brownies are being shot on or near bait stations and guides are losing a lot of $$$$
                          "What is it about a beautiful sunny afternoon, with the birds singing and the wind rustling through the leaves, that makes you want to get drunk? --Jack Handy


                          • #14
                            That doesn't seem right

                            If your four miles away from your bait I doubt that's affecting a brown bear or even closenough to count, but if that's how they want to play they enforce the rules.


                            • #15
                              Plain and simple....if you want to hunt Griz over bait, go to 20E (predator control area) off the taylor HWY. All you gotta do is register for the permit in person at Tok F&G.


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