Bear Bait Stations "HOPE ROAD" and lots of New GATES.

[sayak]

The gates are swinging shut, and locks installed.

Joe Vogler, come back and bring your dozer with you.

[limon32]

Welcome to Alaska Nation Park.


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[AGL4now]

The gates are swinging shut, and locks installed.

[limon32]

Yes.........It will help, but more is needed. The fines for operating an ATV illegally in the Chugach National Forest are so silly "LOW" that some sportsman/hunters choose to CHEAT on other hunters. It makes a "FOOL" of the hunter who obeys the rules/laws/regulations. There are loggers stealing wood from the Chugach National Forest and selling the wood. When you look at the size of the Chugach National Forest, and realize how few Federal Law Enforcement Officers there are, it bewildering.

Te idea that operating an atv in national forest is illegal is ludicrous, if you read an understand the mission of the USFS and the National Forest system.

The only thing more ridiculous is that we continue to allow it. A National Forest is NOT a park, yet we've allowed the tree huggers to push that agenda on the USFS.


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[sayak]

I guess I see it differently.

I don't blame you. It's your back yard and you have a large chunk of land to watch out for. Please understand, I am in no way saying that negatively. But I have seen the feds go from a service to an imepeder in many cases.

[MacGyver]

Yes.........It will help, but more is needed. The fines for operating an ATV illegally in the Chugach National Forest are so silly "LOW" that some sportsman/hunters choose to CHEAT on other hunters. It makes a "FOOL" of the hunter who obeys the rules/laws/regulations. There are loggers stealing wood from the Chugach National Forest and selling the wood. When you look at the size of the Chugach National Forest, and realize how few Federal Law Enforcement Officers there are, it bewildering.

I would be careful what you wish for. If there more Fed the will have even less to do. In order to justify their jobs they will make your lives in Hope even more hell.

[AGL4now]

Yes.........It will help, but more is needed. The fines for operating an ATV illegally in the Chugach National Forest are so silly "LOW" that some sportsman/hunters choose to CHEAT on other hunters. It makes a "FOOL" of the hunter who obeys the rules/laws/regulations. There are loggers stealing wood from the Chugach National Forest and selling the wood. When you look at the size of the Chugach National Forest, and realize how few Federal Law Enforcement Officers there are, it bewildering.

Assuming folks can still use the land, this will only make the bear baiting better.

[Nick Muche]

Assuming folks can still use the land, this will only make the bear baiting better.

[AGL4now]

I guess I see it differently.

Oh, people pay attention! But they have been cowed into believing that the land is really not for them to use, that they are intruders, and that armed "rangers" should keep them out and behaving well. As I have said before, not the Forest Service of my dad's day or even of my youth; now more of a para-police force, and Alaskans think that is the way it SHOULD be. Tragic really.

[mike h]

If they're parapolice, and

Police are all paramilitary,

Does that make the USFS paramilitary?

Or just parapolice like what police used to be before police got tanks and stormyrooper gear?

[sayak]

I just notice I typed "their" and not "there", surprised you didn't catch that!


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I caught it. I gave you a 90% for grammar but a 100% for content.

[limon32]

Oh, people pay attention! But they have been cowed into believing that the land is really not for them to use, that they are intruders, and that armed "rangers" should keep them out and behaving well. As I have said before, not the Forest Service of my dad's day or even of my youth; now more of a para-police force, and Alaskans think that is the way it SHOULD be. Tragic really.

I just notice I typed "their" and not "there", surprised you didn't catch that!


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[sayak]

Oh, people pay attention! But they have been cowed into believing that the land is really not for them to use, that they are intruders, and that armed "rangers" should keep them out and behaving well. As I have said before, not the Forest Service of my dad's day or even of my youth; now more of a para-police force, and Alaskans think that is the way it SHOULD be. Tragic really.

[limon32]

Why would Chugach Electric do that? Law suit protection?

USFS requirement. The idea that their are gates on ANY USFS roads is ridiculous, I wish more people paid attention.


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[AGL4now]

My understanding is that "THESE" gates were required per agreement and condition of Chugach National Forest granting a "NEW" easement to Chugach Electric for them to relocate their powerline closer to the Hope Road to facilitate maintaince (especially in the winter).

To the best of my knowledge, It has always been illegal to operate "ANY" motorized vehicle in this part of the Chugach National Forest, other than on established roads. With the exception of tracked snow machines at approved snow cover depths.

I have received warnings and have been advised that with the exception of "Private Property" it is illegal to operate an ATV even on the Hope Road, and especially on Palmer Creek Road, the only exception being if you own a valid mining operation and procure a "SPECIAL PERMIT".

But the reality is if these areas are off limits to motorized vehicles then those using them illegally have ruined it for the rest of us in other areas where they were legal.
Were these service roads ever legal for the general public to use with motor vehicles?
Or was it people tearing things up by not riding sensibly that closed them?