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  • "Daveinthebush, who's gonna re-groom all these trails after the tournament? If the people driving the ATVs would be willing to re-groom all the trails then we would be okay with it. But they want the Wolf pack to clean up the mess. No way."

    Well I guess the entire lake belongs to a select few and no one else can use it except the people that make trails then. I just don't see that many if any people bringing an ATV to fish a lake you can walk to.



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    • Originally posted by Daveinthebush View Post
      "Daveinthebush, who's gonna re-groom all these trails after the tournament? If the people driving the ATVs would be willing to re-groom all the trails then we would be okay with it. But they want the Wolf pack to clean up the mess. No way."

      Well I guess the entire lake belongs to a select few and no one else can use it except the people that make trails then. I just don't see that many if any people bringing an ATV to fish a lake you can walk to.

      No disrespect Dave. I can see where you are coming from, but that's kind of like saying how about if I move into your neighborhood, buy an acre of land right next door to you and start hauling in garbage and turn my property into a landfill. I mean, sure, if there were no covenants I would have "the right" to do so if I wanted to. And nobody can tell me any differently. But would it be considerate? Would it be common sense? Would it be safe and beneficial for everyone in the community? No, I think you can see where I am coming from. Lake Louise (and Susitna, Tyone and all the surrounding lakes) are all connected and it is a huge lake system. It takes the Wolf Pack about 2 months of grooming, just to get it all done. And money for the grooming comes from club members who spend the majority of their time there on the weekends. They use those trails not only to access their cabins and for recreation, but to haul lumber, food, tools, supplies etc. I personally know some friends that live remote off of those trail systems. They are retirees and they spend about 6-9 months out at their cabin. They are senior citizens that rely on those trail systems for groceries. I personally know of trappers out in that community that rely on those trail systems to access their traplines and maintain their income. For them it's not about about a weekend get-together with some buddies once a year. But it is a lifestyle and their livelihoods. What do you say to those people? Is it fair to them that these weekend warriors can come up there and ruin the trails and then leave them trashed for others to clean up after?

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      • Point Lodge is having the tournament. It is on the lake shore and the tournament is on Lake Louise. Why do you think people are going to be taking ATV's in the winter over to Tyrone Lake or Susitna and the surrounding lakes. I know there are idiots out there but if I am fishing the tournament on Silver Lake, I go to Silver Lake. The tournament is restricted to Lake Louise.

        I do put up with idiots all summer over here in Valdez. People that don't know what a "boat plug" is, don't know what marine navigation rules are and a whole lot of other stuff.

        Bushwack I just don't think it is going to be a huge problem. I know Alaska's gene pool isn't that deep but someone can take an ATV up there at any time of the year and run around on trails. I just don't see it at the end of March/April. There may not even be any snow at that point.

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        • March and April are the worst times for riding an atv on the lake. During the day the snow gets soft and the wheels dig into the trail making deep ruts, then that evening it freezes and turns rock hard. In years past people have been seriously injured when their snow machines have hit these ruts. I know several people that have flipped freight sleds hauling lumber and supplies to their cabins. Aside from personal injuries these ruts have cost thousands of dollars in damages to snow machines and building materials all so some guy can go out and catch a fish. It’s not a question of wether you can or cannot drive an atv on the lake it’s a serious safety concern. There are other places in the state with the same issue and they shouldn’t have to deal with the same lack of respect either. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.

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          • Lake Louise lodge has a petition going right now to stop tournaments and derbies on the lake Louise system. I encourage anyone that goes up to stop in and sign.

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            • I truly hope you are correct that the people that have concerns about this fishing event are completely wrong and have nothing to worry about. I for one believe we do have lots to worry about, I believe this is just the beginning of something much bigger. The non profit that is promoting this event has a very large investment there, for one thing they own Mormon island in my opinion they purchased this island for the sole purpose of being able to house large events, they purchased this island with a grant from the state of Alaska $100,000.00 for the down payment plus they received an additional grant from the state of Alaska for $80,000.00 for upgrades to the newly purchased property.


              The vice president of the non profit that is promoting this event has a history of promoting very large fishing events (see the excerpt below Jeremiah)
              I also enclosed a link so everybody can see just what this organization has done in the past and what they are looking forward to in the future.


              There was a statement concerning giving Northern Pike a break, ok let's look at this, it is well known that Northern Pike are a huge issue in South Central Alaska, why not have this event on one of those fisheries such as flat horn or figure eight lakes it would be a great time, no worry about mortality (as long as the fish was a Pike) and the extra benefit of riding the area of an evasive fish (please see excerpt below)


              In the end follow the money, take a look at the IRS 990 filings for Alaska Healing Hearts pay attention to where the money is coming from almost all of it looks like it is coming from Grants most likely from the State of Alaska, I have tried to find out how much of this non profits money is being used for the sole purpose of what the non profit was created for but at this point I have not found this information and it appears they do not make this information public. Look up the business lic. for the point lodge it is a limited liability corporation (LLC) what is the significance of that Non Profits can be silent partners.
              Can this event eventually become huge the answer is yes, lodging, campers, motor homes, Mormon island all will give people a place to stay. Will this turn into a summer/winter fishing extravaganza for the benefit of one lodge and a not for profit I would think with the investments that have been made the answer is yes, will the non profit be able to justify more grants because of these activities yes, will the lodge benefit from these events yes. This lake is open to anybody that wants to fish, bring the family and have a great time, but in my opinion we do not need to basically have the fishery become commercial for the benefit of a few at the expense of the many.




              Northern pike were illegally introduced to southcentral Alaska in the 1950s. The study looked at two tributaries of the Susitna River: the Deshka River, which continues to have a sustainable salmon fishery, including chinook salmon, and Alexander Creek, where pike are believed to have caused the decline in chinook, chum, silver and sockeye salmon, plus rainbow trout and grayling, leading to fishing restrictions.


              Jeremiah’s own Annual Hardwater Warrior’s Ice Fishing Derby; one of the largest ice fishing tournaments in the state. Jeremiah resides in Wasilla


              When you read the information that cabela's and the sportmans warehouse help out/sponsor this program take a look at the Bio of the non profits ( Alaska Healing Hearts) president and his connection to these organizations.
              https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Lo...504278921.html

















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              • Somebody posted about taking kids out fishing and let them catch thier first lunker we just so you know you do not need a huge event to be able to do this, I added a couple pictures to show this, I love taking kids out fishing.

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                • We’re on the lake now. Haven’t caught anything. There’s no fish in this lake. Not sure why there’s going to be a tournament on a lake with no fish.


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                  • Look, for what its worth...I know Jeremiah and while he use to hold a very large fishing tourney for the benefit of a military unit on JBER, his pivot from that tournament format and in helping with AHH was because during his tournaments he took extreme measures in helping advert fish mortality - most notably a man-made live well pond to revive measured fish before putting back in to the lake. ADFG didn't see any benefit in measured data of "stocked fish" but did send him a letter stating that each fish caught could not be transported alive - even if the fish stayed within the lake boundaries. They threaten to have each fish transported to be fined. At that time there were three-four major one-day tournaments in the valley. Because he could no longer keep fish alive and because he didn't believe the lake systems could withstand fishing pressure that could sustain three-four major fishing tourneys a year, he packed up and teamed with AHH and began taking small groups of people out on the lake for one day trips. Careful to mix locations, and capping the numbers of participants for each excursion, Jeremiah has done many great things in the respects of getting folks out fishing and respecting the resource. As for the SCO...the genesis of that tournament was not the brainchild of Jeremiah but a few hard-fishing diehards who put multi-day tournaments together - some were lower 48 transplants who fished bass-tourneys and other were lake fishing guides in the valley. After a few fledgling years of fishing different lakes they relocated to Big Lake and the rest is history. So…you mentioned where will Jeremiah grow this in five years? I can guarantee you this - if it will diminish the fishing environment and resource it will not continue. Just like his large tourneys from three-four year ago. Lake Louise may have enemies, but I stand to say, one is not Jeremiah.

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                    • Originally posted by KodiakJack View Post
                      Look, for what its worth...I know Jeremiah and while he use to hold a very large fishing tourney for the benefit of a military unit on JBER, his pivot from that tournament format and in helping with AHH was because during his tournaments he took extreme measures in helping advert fish mortality - most notably a man-made live well pond to revive measured fish before putting back in to the lake. ADFG didn't see any benefit in measured data of "stocked fish" but did send him a letter stating that each fish caught could not be transported alive - even if the fish stayed within the lake boundaries. They threaten to have each fish transported to be fined. At that time there were three-four major one-day tournaments in the valley. Because he could no longer keep fish alive and because he didn't believe the lake systems could withstand fishing pressure that could sustain three-four major fishing tourneys a year, he packed up and teamed with AHH and began taking small groups of people out on the lake for one day trips. Careful to mix locations, and capping the numbers of participants for each excursion, Jeremiah has done many great things in the respects of getting folks out fishing and respecting the resource. As for the SCO...the genesis of that tournament was not the brainchild of Jeremiah but a few hard-fishing diehards who put multi-day tournaments together - some were lower 48 transplants who fished bass-tourneys and other were lake fishing guides in the valley. After a few fledgling years of fishing different lakes they relocated to Big Lake and the rest is history. So…you mentioned where will Jeremiah grow this in five years? I can guarantee you this - if it will diminish the fishing environment and resource it will not continue. Just like his large tourneys from three-four year ago. Lake Louise may have enemies, but I stand to say, one is not Jeremiah.

                      i am sure your friend is a great person and I would think it would be fun to have a cup of coffee with him and tell Alaska stories, but the investments and local partnering up at the lake system tells me and I am sure others a different story. I just hope other people do some basic research
                      concerning these programs, thier history, who is connected, where is the money coming from, what is the percent of collected money going for the intended cause, Look at thier IRS 990 filing that will give a good idea where the money is being spent.

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                      • Originally posted by KodiakJack View Post
                        Look, for what its worth...I know Jeremiah and while he use to hold a very large fishing tourney for the benefit of a military unit on JBER, his pivot from that tournament format and in helping with AHH was because during his tournaments he took extreme measures in helping advert fish mortality - most notably a man-made live well pond to revive measured fish before putting back in to the lake. ADFG didn't see any benefit in measured data of "stocked fish" but did send him a letter stating that each fish caught could not be transported alive - even if the fish stayed within the lake boundaries. They threaten to have each fish transported to be fined. At that time there were three-four major one-day tournaments in the valley. Because he could no longer keep fish alive and because he didn't believe the lake systems could withstand fishing pressure that could sustain three-four major fishing tourneys a year, he packed up and teamed with AHH and began taking small groups of people out on the lake for one day trips. Careful to mix locations, and capping the numbers of participants for each excursion, Jeremiah has done many great things in the respects of getting folks out fishing and respecting the resource. As for the SCO...the genesis of that tournament was not the brainchild of Jeremiah but a few hard-fishing diehards who put multi-day tournaments together - some were lower 48 transplants who fished bass-tourneys and other were lake fishing guides in the valley. After a few fledgling years of fishing different lakes they relocated to Big Lake and the rest is history. So…you mentioned where will Jeremiah grow this in five years? I can guarantee you this - if it will diminish the fishing environment and resource it will not continue. Just like his large tourneys from three-four year ago. Lake Louise may have enemies, but I stand to say, one is not Jeremiah.
                        I have a question, just so I know could you explain how the before mentioned organization will know that the fishing has declined? I talked with the Glennallen fish and game and they were very upfront that lake Louise was very low priority so I am assuming they will not be cking,

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                        • I want to thank all of you for your concern for Alaska Fisheries. It is nice to know that people have such a big conviction on this issue. I too share each of your convictions to keeping Alaska fisheries healthy. As a long time angler I understand how over fishing and poor angler respect and regulations can have on fisheries around the world.

                          Copper Basin Scales and Tails Tournament is designed to have a minimal impact on the environment and the fishery. We believe we can have a successful tournament that teaches proper techniques and to respect our environment. We have placed many safeguards into this tournament to assure we keep this fishery healthy for many years. I have included some below:

                          1. This is a mandatory catch and release tournament.
                          2. We have a biologist teaching the proper way to catch and release fish before the tournament begins.
                          3. We have limited the fishing hours to only 36 hours over two separate weekends.
                          4. We have tightened the rules over the state, Example: to only one hook. (no trailing hooks)
                          5. We made sure this is a Copper Basin Tournament covering many lakes, this limits the effort on any one lake.
                          6. We have limited the transportation to only snow machines on trails and will DQ any car or truck on the ice. (with support from the snow machine club)

                          As we all know there is a right way and a wrong way to do anything. We believe we will show that we can have a successful tournament that can be a template for other tournaments around Alaska and the USA.

                          This tournament is designed to promote fishing. We have a kids class that hopefully will teach healthy competition and teach them the proper way to care about our environment. This may get them off the XBOX and spend quality time with family and fish.

                          We are pleased to support the Alaska Healing Hearts. I picked this nonprofit for many reasons. They support the lodges on Lake Louise. They support our Veterans. They understand how important our Alaska environment is. There is NO personal or business connection between The Point Lodge and Alaska Healing Hearts other then the Point Lodge supporting there cause. There is no plan for any other fishing tournaments at this time.

                          The lake system being fished in this tournament is over 30,000 sq acres. Assuming the highest probable entries in the tournament and 2 hooks per angler the ratio of hook to acres is 375 acres to each hook. This is a very low ratio of hook to area.

                          We thank you all for your concern and we have taken steps to mediate every concern we possibly can to keep this fishery healthy for many years to come.

                          The Point Lodge will offer no more comments or statements on this forum.

                          Ken Hobbs
                          The Point Lodge

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                          • Originally posted by spedfrk13 View Post
                            I want to thank all of you for your concern for Alaska Fisheries. It is nice to know that people have such a big conviction on this issue. I too share each of your convictions to keeping Alaska fisheries healthy. As a long time angler I understand how over fishing and poor angler respect and regulations can have on fisheries around the world.

                            Copper Basin Scales and Tails Tournament is designed to have a minimal impact on the environment and the fishery. We believe we can have a successful tournament that teaches proper techniques and to respect our environment. We have placed many safeguards into this tournament to assure we keep this fishery healthy for many years. I have included some below:

                            1. This is a mandatory catch and release tournament.
                            2. We have a biologist teaching the proper way to catch and release fish before the tournament begins.
                            3. We have limited the fishing hours to only 36 hours over two separate weekends.
                            4. We have tightened the rules over the state, Example: to only one hook. (no trailing hooks)
                            5. We made sure this is a Copper Basin Tournament covering many lakes, this limits the effort on any one lake.
                            6. We have limited the transportation to only snow machines on trails and will DQ any car or truck on the ice. (with support from the snow machine club)

                            As we all know there is a right way and a wrong way to do anything. We believe we will show that we can have a successful tournament that can be a template for other tournaments around Alaska and the USA.

                            This tournament is designed to promote fishing. We have a kids class that hopefully will teach healthy competition and teach them the proper way to care about our environment. This may get them off the XBOX and spend quality time with family and fish.

                            We are pleased to support the Alaska Healing Hearts. I picked this nonprofit for many reasons. They support the lodges on Lake Louise. They support our Veterans. They understand how important our Alaska environment is. There is NO personal or business connection between The Point Lodge and Alaska Healing Hearts other then the Point Lodge supporting there cause. There is no plan for any other fishing tournaments at this time.

                            The lake system being fished in this tournament is over 30,000 sq acres. Assuming the highest probable entries in the tournament and 2 hooks per angler the ratio of hook to acres is 375 acres to each hook. This is a very low ratio of hook to area.

                            We thank you all for your concern and we have taken steps to mediate every concern we possibly can to keep this fishery healthy for many years to come.

                            The Point Lodge will offer no more comments or statements on this forum.

                            Ken Hobbs
                            The Point Lodge
                            Thanks for your report Ken. I know you said you wouldn't respond to this forum again. Could you respond via an email or private message? After reading your report, I am wondering just 2 things. #1) you stated this tournament will be offered on more than one lake. Could you tell us what lakes are being included? #2) you stated that cars and trucks are not allowed and will be disqualified from the tournament. Does this restriction include ATVs? Are you allowing 4-wheelers and other ATVs?

                            Thanks again

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                            • Originally posted by spedfrk13 View Post
                              I want to thank all of you for your concern for Alaska Fisheries. It is nice to know that people have such a big conviction on this issue. I too share each of your convictions to keeping Alaska fisheries healthy. As a long time angler I understand how over fishing and poor angler respect and regulations can have on fisheries around the world.

                              Copper Basin Scales and Tails Tournament is designed to have a minimal impact on the environment and the fishery. We believe we can have a successful tournament that teaches proper techniques and to respect our environment. We have placed many safeguards into this tournament to assure we keep this fishery healthy for many years. I have included some below:

                              1. This is a mandatory catch and release tournament.
                              2. We have a biologist teaching the proper way to catch and release fish before the tournament begins.
                              3. We have limited the fishing hours to only 36 hours over two separate weekends.
                              4. We have tightened the rules over the state, Example: to only one hook. (no trailing hooks)
                              5. We made sure this is a Copper Basin Tournament covering many lakes, this limits the effort on any one lake.
                              6. We have limited the transportation to only snow machines on trails and will DQ any car or truck on the ice. (with support from the snow machine club)

                              As we all know there is a right way and a wrong way to do anything. We believe we will show that we can have a successful tournament that can be a template for other tournaments around Alaska and the USA.

                              This tournament is designed to promote fishing. We have a kids class that hopefully will teach healthy competition and teach them the proper way to care about our environment. This may get them off the XBOX and spend quality time with family and fish.

                              We are pleased to support the Alaska Healing Hearts. I picked this nonprofit for many reasons. They support the lodges on Lake Louise. They support our Veterans. They understand how important our Alaska environment is. There is NO personal or business connection between The Point Lodge and Alaska Healing Hearts other then the Point Lodge supporting there cause. There is no plan for any other fishing tournaments at this time.

                              The lake system being fished in this tournament is over 30,000 sq acres. Assuming the highest probable entries in the tournament and 2 hooks per angler the ratio of hook to acres is 375 acres to each hook. This is a very low ratio of hook to area.

                              We thank you all for your concern and we have taken steps to mediate every concern we possibly can to keep this fishery healthy for many years to come.

                              The Point Lodge will offer no more comments or statements on this forum.

                              Ken Hobbs
                              The Point Lodge

                              Well yea of course we are doing it for the kids what a wonderful idea, and of course you do not see this as a money making event for your lodge. I for one hope people
                              take the time to research any connection to this non profit and the history of the non profit itself. I also hope the people that you depend on for a sunificant amont of your income see this for what it is and choose to spend thier hard earned money somewhere else. Yep when I told you that I could not support your event in a message nor could a posible large group of the local area land owners you sent me a thumbs up, I personely took that as who cares. If that is any indication of your business savvy, I am sure we all should have a warm fuzzy feeling about your ability to be part of an event.

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                              • On February 21, this Thursday, the matanuska Susitna borough game and fish commission is having their annual meeting. It will be held at the matanuska Susitna borough building in Palmer at 5:00pm. This will be a good opportunity for the public to raise concerns on tournaments and derbies held on natural unstocked lakes, specifically the lake Louise drainage. There will be time at the end of the meeting for public comment. If you google the game and fish commission you will be able to see their agenda for the evening.

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