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  • #16
    Answer me this

    Hi Bob, glad you tracked down your problem, now let me toss this out. For those of you that were at the gathering, perhaps you got a look at the business end of my boat, but most maybe not. The question for all is this: If the rubber hoses you had on your boat caused all the problems, then why havn't I ever experienced any problems like you described? The attachments you see have been on my jetsled since just after the 10 hour break-in period with no apparent ill effects. They are completely submerged when idling and I presume because of the added backpressure this allows/produces the result of the engine actually warming up to where it shows 150* on the temp gauge. Crack the throttle a bit and the temp comes down to its "normal" below the lowest mark on the gauge, too cold to read anything. I've also experienced 0 RPM loss or anything else for that matter. The outlets are obviously parallel with the centerline of the craft but seem to be just barely submerged when on step. Perhaps thats the answer, the pipe outlets on yours were perpendicular to the C/L exhausting straight down into the water. The angle cut on mine doesn't hurt either, helps the water flow past the pipe outlet pull whatever exhaust is there out


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ID:	2479964 of the pipe. Whatever it is, it also quieted the boat down a dB or 2. It's a quiet beast from behind especially, and helps it be a quieter boat overall. Stuff to make us scratch our heads. :think: What's next? Click image for larger version

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ID:	2479963As for the stomp grate, look into the remote activated stomp grate and lever like Fozzy and I have on our boats. It will allow you the luxury of opening the grate from the captains chair before you start and after you've pulled out from shore into deeper water. Don't forget to shut the motor down before "stomping" just to be cautious. I know of at least one incident that the grate was opened at idle with a grate full of rocks and one entered just wrong and locked the engine up from the rock digging into the liner and wedging the impeller. Bad day on the river then, had to beach the boat and either pull the back end off or chisel it out from up under the boat. Took awhile. Later, Oz

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    • #17
      OzAk, my rubber pipes hung straight down about 2 inches below the boat so even when on step they were both in the water. I see your pix and like that setup. I have noticed that mine is a bit louder but It doesn't really bother me that much. It rips through the water now and I'm pretty happy with it. Also got the aftermarket bucket on there and that sucker backs up/pulls the boat right off the bank with the quickness. What a difference. As for the stomp grate, Fossy's setup is really kool but I don't know that I have the inginuity to design/build something like that. I usually give that job the the passenger right from the gitgo. Thanx for the advise though buddy and keep it coming...I really do appreciate all your help in learning about these jetboats..."fishon"




      Originally posted by OzAK View Post
      Hi Bob, glad you tracked down your problem, now let me toss this out. For those of you that were at the gathering, perhaps you got a look at the business end of my boat, but most maybe not. The question for all is this: If the rubber hoses you had on your boat caused all the problems, then why havn't I ever experienced any problems like you described? The attachments you see have been on my jetsled since just after the 10 hour break-in period with no apparent ill effects. They are completely submerged when idling and I presume because of the added backpressure this allows/produces the result of the engine actually warming up to where it shows 150* on the temp gauge. Crack the throttle a bit and the temp comes down to its "normal" below the lowest mark on the gauge, too cold to read anything. I've also experienced 0 RPM loss or anything else for that matter. The outlets are obviously parallel with the centerline of the craft but seem to be just barely submerged when on step. Perhaps thats the answer, the pipe outlets on yours were perpendicular to the C/L exhausting straight down into the water. The angle cut on mine doesn't hurt either, helps the water flow past the pipe outlet pull whatever exhaust is there out


      [ATTACH=CONFIG]49771[/ATTACH] of the pipe. Whatever it is, it also quieted the boat down a dB or 2. It's a quiet beast from behind especially, and helps it be a quieter boat overall. Stuff to make us scratch our heads. :think: What's next? [ATTACH=CONFIG]49770[/ATTACH]As for the stomp grate, look into the remote activated stomp grate and lever like Fozzy and I have on our boats. It will allow you the luxury of opening the grate from the captains chair before you start and after you've pulled out from shore into deeper water. Don't forget to shut the motor down before "stomping" just to be cautious. I know of at least one incident that the grate was opened at idle with a grate full of rocks and one entered just wrong and locked the engine up from the rock digging into the liner and wedging the impeller. Bad day on the river then, had to beach the boat and either pull the back end off or chisel it out from up under the boat. Took awhile. Later, Oz
      "Fisherman for Life" and "Phantom owner Forever"

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      • #18
        Nice post. There have so many information which I need. Thanks for sharing this post.

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        • #19
          Hey Bob I think Compeaus might sells a kit for the Phantom/SJX. It's just a piece of pipe couple brackets and a cable. You might need a little longer cable is the only difference.

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          • #20
            Is that right or are you yankin my chain buddy???.

            Originally posted by f0zzy2 View Post
            Hey Bob I think Compeaus might sells a kit for the Phantom/SJX. It's just a piece of pipe couple brackets and a cable. You might need a little longer cable is the only difference.
            "Fisherman for Life" and "Phantom owner Forever"

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Bob the fisher View Post
              Is that right or are you yankin my chain buddy???.
              although I'm sure fozzy would enjoy a bit of chain yanking, I think he's steering you right....do it up and let us know how it goes...
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              pull my finger....

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              • #22
                No yanking at all. Talk with Luke in the parts department, tell him you have a SJX and would like the parts to make your stomp grate remote. He will hook you up. The hardest part might be telling him you have a SJX. You might need a longer cable I'll look at the length on mine when I get home. I canít believe HG hasn't engineered one for his customers yet!! I'll have pics of OZ's set up somewhere I'll find them and pm them to you.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by f0zzy2 View Post
                  No yanking at all. Talk with Luke in the parts department, tell him you have a SJX and would like the parts to make your stomp grate remote. He will hook you up. The hardest part might be telling him you have a SJX. You might need a longer cable I'll look at the length on mine when I get home. I canít believe HG hasn't engineered one for his customers yet!! I'll have pics of OZ's set up somewhere I'll find them and pm them to you.

                  Bob, if you want a helm stomp grate give us a call. Phantom offers them as an option and we can get you one with no problem.

                  Fozzy2, FYI, Bob doesn't have an SJX, its a Phantom SJ. Big difference.
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                  • #24
                    Yes, I am aware of what kind of boat he has. I met him at the spring gathering, very nice boat by the way. I was just trying to help him out by going through a real dealer so he could get the parts he needed in stock in Alaska.

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                    • #25
                      Riton! Riton!...I will give you a call in the near future to inquire....thanx man..."fishon"


                      Originally posted by Halibutgrove View Post
                      Bob, if you want a helm stomp grate give us a call. Phantom offers them as an option and we can get you one with no problem.

                      Fozzy2, FYI, Bob doesn't have an SJX, its a Phantom SJ. Big difference.
                      "Fisherman for Life" and "Phantom owner Forever"

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                      • #26
                        Thanx bro..I will inqurie with Mel first and see what he offers, then probably inquire with Luke and see what he has...."fishon"


                        Originally posted by f0zzy2 View Post
                        No yanking at all. Talk with Luke in the parts department, tell him you have a SJX and would like the parts to make your stomp grate remote. He will hook you up. The hardest part might be telling him you have a SJX. You might need a longer cable I'll look at the length on mine when I get home. I canít believe HG hasn't engineered one for his customers yet!! I'll have pics of OZ's set up somewhere I'll find them and pm them to you.
                        "Fisherman for Life" and "Phantom owner Forever"

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                        • #27
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ID:	2479996Hi Bob, you'll enjoy working with Luke. He's a standup guy, and he doesn't care what kind of boat you have. You can drop my name if you wish, I bought a lot of parts from him when I was building my boat and continue to go there for my support. All the parts that fit my Phantom or yours for a remote stomp grate will also fit the SJX and vice versa. A good friend of mine did the original trial fits, good 'ol boy engineering and R&D to build the first remote setup when he worked for Compeaus. Don't let anyone tell you that all of the innovations on either the Phantom or the SJX came from the builders, that's just pure bull. The remote setup isn't rocket science and I feel it should be installed as a standard item, as it is on the SJX. It can be a safety item in some instances if you're grate is plugged, the confines of the river are tight and you need to clean out to help your power now. It takes less time by a bunch to pull that lever than it does to send someone back to the stomp, get it done, and have them back in a safer location in the boat before you put the hammer down on the throttle to get out of whatever tight spot a person tends to find themselves in after they've sucked up half the bottom of the river. Of course now if you want to quiet that squeeky stomp grate down and quit breaking springs, you'll have to get those plans from me. roud: Fozzy had to engineer his basically from scratch to fit his Willy and did a great job.

                          The arguement about there being a big difference between the Phantom and the SJX can and has been been beaten to death so don't anyone go there. All I'll say is that if I had had a choice between the two when buying my boat and some of you now know me, my ride, and what I've done to it, hands down, without hesitation, I would have bought an SJX as a base boat to start with. I'm not dissatisfied with the Phantom either.

                          Fozzy ol' boy, you sure know how to get to the point on dealers buddy, touche'.

                          Picture of my sweet granddaughter with a prop thrown in for her use. She's got this riverboat thing figured out..."Let's go Grandpa"

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                          • #28
                            Oz...thanx for the info..I know exactly what you mean about needing a quick cleanout. Was on the Matanuska river with MToudoorsman on Saturday, he stuckit twice...(sorry Zak) and when I was trying to find somewhere to put the boat on the bank, I sucked up something and lost power. Had the help run back, stompit and sit dow asap to prevent us from ending up in a wood pile. A very nervous moment there for a bit. I will inquire with them later...thanx again man..."fishon"



                            Originally posted by OzAK View Post
                            [ATTACH=CONFIG]49839[/ATTACH]Hi Bob, you'll enjoy working with Luke. He's a standup guy, and he doesn't care what kind of boat you have. You can drop my name if you wish, I bought a lot of parts from him when I was building my boat and continue to go there for my support. All the parts that fit my Phantom or yours for a remote stomp grate will also fit the SJX and vice versa. A good friend of mine did the original trial fits, good 'ol boy engineering and R&D to build the first remote setup when he worked for Compeaus. Don't let anyone tell you that all of the innovations on either the Phantom or the SJX came from the builders, that's just pure bull. The remote setup isn't rocket science and I feel it should be installed as a standard item, as it is on the SJX. It can be a safety item in some instances if you're grate is plugged, the confines of the river are tight and you need to clean out to help your power now. It takes less time by a bunch to pull that lever than it does to send someone back to the stomp, get it done, and have them back in a safer location in the boat before you put the hammer down on the throttle to get out of whatever tight spot a person tends to find themselves in after they've sucked up half the bottom of the river. Of course now if you want to quiet that squeeky stomp grate down and quit breaking springs, you'll have to get those plans from me. roud: Fozzy had to engineer his basically from scratch to fit his Willy and did a great job.

                            The arguement about there being a big difference between the Phantom and the SJX can and has been been beaten to death so don't anyone go there. All I'll say is that if I had had a choice between the two when buying my boat and some of you now know me, my ride, and what I've done to it, hands down, without hesitation, I would have bought an SJX as a base boat to start with. I'm not dissatisfied with the Phantom either.

                            Fozzy ol' boy, you sure know how to get to the point on dealers buddy, touche'.

                            Picture of my sweet granddaughter with a prop thrown in for her use. She's got this riverboat thing figured out..."Let's go Grandpa"
                            "Fisherman for Life" and "Phantom owner Forever"

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