Results 1 to 17 of 17

Thread: Firearms in National Parks

  1. #1

    Default Firearms in National Parks

    Will some one explaing the laws concerning firearms in national Parks. I'm thinking of bear defense not hunting.
    Thanks
    DR B

  2. #2
    New member
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Alaska
    Posts
    204

    Default

    Not allowed in the National Parks. Well, it is under very special circumstances, but unless you are working for the Park Service and have their training, you can't carry for self defense.

  3. #3
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Anchorage, Alaska
    Posts
    1,461

    Default

    Dr. B,

    It is my understanding that firearms are prohibited in our National Parks, although there may be some exceptions or exceptional circumstances out there. I would recommend that you check the regulations within the specific National Park you are considering.

    Now...if your question is asking someone to explain why we can't carry firearms to protect ourselves or loved ones from attack within our National Parks, then I'll have to yield to others...because I think that is inexplicable.

    Doc

  4. #4
    Member whateveri8's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Juneau - Auke Bay
    Posts
    185

    Default

    the trick to it is C C W as in keep it consealed - don't tell, don't use it unless life or death, and don't make it obvious your packing self-defense heat. If you have to blow away MR. Grizzly in Denali - run like Hell and tell no one...

    see that's easy!
    God, Guns and Guts is what made America Great

  5. #5
    Member Flintlock's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Alaska
    Posts
    214

    Default National parks

    Actually, contrary to popular belief, one may carry firearms in a few select National Parks in Alaska.

    This is from the NPS web site...

    Kenai Fjords National Park

    Firearms

    It is legal to possess a firearm anywhere in the park in accordance with all other applicable state and federal laws. This is different than the rule in most Lower 48 National Park areas, but is allowed here for protection from bears and other dangerous wildlife. Hunting is strictly prohibited within the park.

    If you research each National Parks' rules pertaining to firearms, you will see that Denali is not one of the parks you will be able to possess firearms in and there are probably only about three or four total that allow this.

  6. #6
    Member Float Pilot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Kachemak Bay Alaska
    Posts
    4,218

    Default

    Basically your employees (the feds) are telling you (their employer), that you cannot protect yourself on your land (property owned by all citizens of this Republic) .
    Except in some cases where they have decided not to violate your constitutional rights.
    Odd how that happens to be in the State with the most armed populace

    xx
    Floatplane,Tailwheel and Firearms Instructor- Dragonfly Aero
    Experimental Hand-Loader, NRA Life Member
    http://site.dragonflyaero.com

  7. #7

    Default

    All I can say is I have and will continue to practice and advocate civil disbedience in this matter.


    TITLE 36--PARKS, FORESTS, AND PUBLIC PROPERTY

    CHAPTER I--NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR

    PART 2_RESOURCE PROTECTION, PUBLIC USE AND RECREATION

    Sec. 2.4 Weapons, traps and nets.

    (a)(1) Except as otherwise provided in this section and parts 7
    (special regulations) and 13 (Alaska regulations), the following are
    prohibited:
    (i) Possessing a weapon, trap or net
    (ii) Carrying a weapon, trap or net
    (iii) Using a weapon, trap or net
    (2) Weapons, traps or nets may be carried, possessed or used:
    (i) At designated times and locations in park areas where:
    (A) The taking of wildlife is authorized by law in accordance with
    Sec. 2.2 of this chapter;
    (B) The taking of fish is authorized by law in accordance with Sec.
    2.3 of this part.
    (ii) When used for target practice at designated times and at
    facilities or locations designed and constructed specifically for this
    purpose and designated pursuant to special regulations.
    (iii) Within a residential dwelling. For purposes of this
    subparagraph only, the term ``residential dwelling'' means a fixed
    housing structure which is either the principal residence of its
    occupants, or is occupied on a regular and recurring basis by its
    occupants as an alternate residence or vacation home.
    (3) Traps, nets and unloaded weapons may be possessed within a
    temporary

    [[Page 20]]

    lodging or mechanical mode of conveyance when such implements are
    rendered temporarily inoperable or are packed, cased or stored in a
    manner that will prevent their ready use.
    (b) Carrying or possessing a loaded weapon in a motor vehicle,
    vessel or other mode of transportation is prohibited, except that
    carrying or possessing a loaded weapon in a vessel is allowed when such
    vessel is not being propelled by machinery and is used as a shooting
    platform in accordance with Federal and State law.
    (c) The use of a weapon, trap or net in a manner that endangers
    persons or property is prohibited.
    (d) The superintendent may issue a permit to carry or possess a
    weapon, trap or net under the following circumstances:
    (1) When necessary to support research activities conducted in
    accordance with Sec. 2.5.
    (2) To carry firearms for persons in charge of pack trains or saddle
    horses for emergency use.
    (3) For employees, agents or cooperating officials in the
    performance of their official duties.
    (4) To provide access to otherwise inaccessible lands or waters
    contiguous to a park area when other means of access are otherwise
    impracticable or impossible.

    Violation of the terms and conditions of a permit issued pursuant to
    this paragraph is prohibited and may result in the suspension or
    revocation of the permit.
    (e) Authorized Federal, State and local law enforcement officers may
    carry firearms in the performance of their official duties.
    (f) The carrying or possessing of a weapon, trap or net in violation
    of applicable Federal and State laws is prohibited.
    (g) The regulations contained in this section apply, regardless of
    land ownership, on all lands and waters within a park area that are
    under the legislative jurisdiction of the United States.

    [48 FR 30282, June 30, 1983, as amended at 49 FR 18450, Apr. 30, 1984;
    52 FR 35240, Sept. 18, 1987]



    TITLE 36--PARKS, FORESTS, AND PUBLIC PROPERTY

    CHAPTER I--NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR

    PART 13_NATIONAL PARK SYSTEM UNITS IN ALASKA
    Sec. 13.19 Weapons, traps, and nets.

    (a) Irritant chemical devices, including bear spray, may be carried,
    possessed, and used in accordance with applicable Federal and non-
    conflicting State laws, except when prohibited or restricted under Sec.
    13.30.
    (b) Paragraphs (d) through (g) of this section apply to all park
    areas in Alaska except Klondike Gold Rush National Historical Park,
    Sitka National Historical Park and the former Mt. McKinley National
    Park, Glacier Bay National Monument and Katmai National Monument.
    (c) Except as provided in this section and Sec. 2.4 of this
    chapter, the following are prohibited--
    (1) Possessing a weapon, trap, or net;
    (2) Carrying a weapon, trap, or net;
    (3) Using a weapon, trap, or net.
    (d) Firearms may be carried, possessed, and used within park areas
    in accordance with applicable State and Federal laws, except where such
    carrying, possession, or use is prohibited or otherwise restricted under
    Sec. 13.30.
    (e) Traps, bows and other implements (other than firearms)
    authorized by applicable State and Federal law for the taking of fish
    and wildlife may be carried, possessed, and used within park areas only
    during those times when the taking of fish and wildlife is authorized by
    applicable law or regulation.
    (f) In addition to the authorities provided in paragraphs (d) and
    (e) of this section, weapons (other than firearms), traps, and nets may
    be possessed within park areas provided such weapons, traps, or nets are
    within or upon a device or animal used for transportation and are
    unloaded and cased or otherwise packed in such a manner as to prevent
    their ready use while in a park area.
    (g) Notwithstanding the provisions of this section, local rural
    residents who are authorized to engage in subsistence uses, including
    the taking of wildlife under Sec. 13.48, may use, possess, or carry
    traps, nets and other weapons in accordance with applicable State and
    Federal laws.

  8. #8
    Member Matt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Alaska
    Posts
    3,410

    Default

    I always carry. What they don't know won't hurt them . . .

  9. #9
    Member shphtr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Chugiak
    Posts
    1,376

    Default

    yup,yup...sort of don't ask - don't tell (sort of!)

  10. #10
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Fairbanks
    Posts
    520

    Default

    Just out of curiosity...what would likely happen if a park ranger did happen to notice a pistol grip sticking out of my vest?

  11. #11
    Moderator Daveinthebush's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Valdez, Alaska
    Posts
    4,402

    Default Interesting

    Quote Originally Posted by Louis View Post
    Just out of curiosity...what would likely happen if a park ranger did happen to notice a pistol grip sticking out of my vest?
    Interesting question. I have never looked down into the bore of a firearm before while held by someone else. This could be a new learning experience for you. ;D

    Vietnam - June 70 - Feb. 72
    Cancer from Agent Orange - Aug. 25th 2012
    Cancer Survivor - Dec. 14th 2012

  12. #12
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Anchorage, Alaska
    Posts
    1,461

    Default Solution....

    ...really guys...don't risk a felony. "Misconduct involving a weapon" doesn't look good on your permanent record.

    I pack, and I pack often (with a permit that I renewed even though we don't need them anymore in AK). My personal solution to all of this has been to stay out of the National Parks. It's really not that hard to do. In fact, I genuinely don't care for the National Parks. True the real estate is quite select and prime, but they are extensively over-regulated. Furthermore, many of the folks that I once met there or have told me that they go there often aren't the kind that I tend to enjoy around my campfire...I'll bet that the majority of them would turn you in if they saw you packing. I will admit that over twenty years ago I rode the school bus in Denali. Didn't really care for it. In fact, I felt pretty goofy doing it. I'll further admit that I prefer a gravel pit or improvised camp site...my family and I have discovered some wonderful places in AK over the years and none of them require a permit. The National Parks are for other people to enjoy, not me.
    Last edited by Doc; 03-13-2007 at 08:20. Reason: spelling

  13. #13

    Default Not good

    Carrying a prohibited weapon in a National Park, might get you very incarcerated. Kind of like carrying a firearm into a Federal court building, it's federal property.
    " Americans will never need the 2nd Amendment, until the government tries to take it away."

    On the road of life..... Pot holes keep things interesting !

  14. #14
    New member
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    297

    Default

    There is a piece of paper in Washington, DC, that says I can. So, I do. I don't brandish as that is counter productive.

    To me, it comes down to being judged by twelve rather than carried by six.

  15. #15
    Member northstar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Wasilla
    Posts
    122

    Default

    If there is a conflict of policy, I would tend to think that the Bill of Rights would trump Ranger Rick's Rulebook. But, that might just be me...

  16. #16
    Member stevelyn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Fairbanksan in Aleutian Hell
    Posts
    1,316

    Default

    I just stay off Nazi Park Circus lands and retain my rights. I have no need to go there.
    Now what ?

  17. #17

    Default Anyway you want it

    The fact you are not allowed to carry a firearm in a National Park is in a penal code. Ask yourself is it worth it, you ARE risking a lot violating that code.
    You might beat the rap , but you won't beat the ride.
    If you are convicted, it will be in a Federal Court and your local peers won't be your jury.
    Conviction means you are a felon (even if you only have to pay a fine), you then can't purchase or posess a firearm again.
    " Americans will never need the 2nd Amendment, until the government tries to take it away."

    On the road of life..... Pot holes keep things interesting !

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •