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    On the Kenai between RM 23.8 to 24.2 the regs say closed bank, does that mean you can fish from the water while wading, after entering the water from a boat ramp?

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    A stretch of the intent...but I suspect quite legal. If you really wanted to make it legal, put a bicycle innertube around your waist and squat down while you fish!!!
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    I believe the way it is written "no bank fishing" means within 10 feet of the bank even if you are in the water.
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    Closed Bank--maybe lost your fun-ds

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    Quote Originally Posted by kasilofchrisn View Post
    I believe the way it is written "no bank fishing" means within 10 feet of the bank even if you are in the water.
    Almost... The "way it is written" says:

    ... In these areas, fishing is only allowed from a boat located more than 10 feet from the shore and not connected to the shore in any way. Fishing from the bank or in the water within 10 feet of the Kenai River waterline is NOT ALLOWED.
    In other words... you MUST be in a boat AND you must be more than 10 feet from the bank. You may NOT stand in the water.

    This is copied directly from the giant red warning box on page 53 of the regs book, adjacent to the listing of bank closures. We have some very complex regulations on the Kenai River. You need to read every single word in the entire Kenai River regs section and read it several times before you even think about setting up your gear.
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    JOAT is totally correct.You may NOT be in the water in A closed bank section.

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    Too bad it's not enforced that way.

    The "no bank fishing" rules are continually abused/ignored due to inconsistent enforcement. On any given day dozens of folks can be see flippin away in these closed areas. Standing in the water 10 ft from the bank has been tolerated in the past, but what I saw all the time was the folks doing this would eventually hook a fish, then back up and trample the vegetation as they beached their catch. Totally defeats the intent of the rule.

    The idea is to prevent mass trampling of critical riparian habitat.

    Must be why they put the requirement of fishing from a boat in there.
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    So the fishing from the boat is new this year, I had not seen it in years past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishNphysician View Post
    The idea is to prevent mass trampling of critical riparian habitat.
    Perhaps you are correct, as to that being the idea...but it certainly wasn't for the selecton process....of where. It was based solely on the adjacent land owners/managers...appeasement and heavy handedness ruled the day. Conservator's and Govt...nuff said, debate was over a long time ago.
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    So on that stretch of river you cannot fish for reds, as you cannot anchor the boat in July.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerberman View Post
    So on that stretch of river you cannot fish for reds, as you cannot anchor the boat in July.
    I don't think anything says you can't drift by and fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akres View Post
    Perhaps you are correct, as to that being the idea...but it certainly wasn't for the selecton process....of where. It was based solely on the adjacent land owners/managers...appeasement and heavy handedness ruled the day. Conservator's and Govt...nuff said, debate was over a long time ago.
    Always good for a conspiracy theory behind any and all regulations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anchskier View Post
    Always good for a conspiracy theory behind any and all regulations.
    Well...lets just say that I don't buy the river mile to river mile concept as based on being Scientifically selected....in the middle reaches of the river....lol
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    Nothing says you can't anchor in July.... just don't do it in a known navigation lane or where king salmon anglers traditionally drift or backtroll from a powerboat. If in doubt, have a look about for oncoming boat traffic.... you will promptly figure it out. If you err, won't be long for the eventual verbal assault! LOL!

    Seriously... the best sockeye fishing occurs in nearshore shallows that are NOT conducive to either navigation or king salmon fishing from a powered craft.

    For the most part, the areas selected for closure (at least in the parts of the lower river I am most familiar) do in fact possess the type of riparian vegetation most in need of protection. There are a few areas where the substrate is predominantly non-vegetated gravel that can be accessed by boat with ZERO measurable trampling impact. These should be reconsidered for re-opening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerberman View Post
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    Bank holidays are usually bad news. Hope you have some cash in the pillow or under the mattress.

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    From page 6 of the reg book regarding AK State Parks Regs on the mainstem Kenai River:

    Anchoring

    No one may anchor a boat on the Kenai River that obstructs a primary traffic channel or drift fishing channel.
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    The riparian habitat closure regulations can be viewed at the following link:

    http://www.legis.state.ak.us/basis/f...dll/aac/query=[Group+!275+aac+57!2E180!27!3A]/doc/{@1}/hits_only?firsthit

    These are riparian habitats that are closed to sport fishing. Riparian habitat is defined (see (e) as all area within 10 feet in either direction from the Kenai River waterline. Sport fishing in the water beyond 10 feet is legal. Landing your catch within the riparian habitat is illegal, so if you are fishing outside the riparian habitat you should be prepared to handle your catch without moving into the closed area.

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    closed bank means...........you can't fish from the bank....or in the water infront of the bank. You have to be 10ft away from the high water mark to be legal. Now as others have posted on here, some times the park guys wont give you a ticket and some times they will.
    As for anchoring you can anchor any time you want just not in major fishing lanes or navigation lanes........pretty much if you are going to imped (sp?) the traffic then your wrong..................

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    Thank You all for the replys, now I can go read the rest of the regulations and try and figure them out. Thanks again.

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    Here is the problem, the bank is closed to "fishing" people use that gray area to access the bank, you can still walk all over it if you want, you just can't "fish" in that zone. You can camp, hike do any activity you want on that bank, just not fish. I wish it was different but that is how it is written, I would like to see more enforcement, especially in on the big eddy area across from Stewarts Landing.

    Quote Originally Posted by aktally View Post
    The riparian habitat closure regulations can be viewed at the following link:

    http://www.legis.state.ak.us/basis/f...dll/aac/query=[Group+!275+aac+57!2E180!27!3A]/doc/{@1}/hits_only?firsthit

    These are riparian habitats that are closed to sport fishing. Riparian habitat is defined (see (e) as all area within 10 feet in either direction from the Kenai River waterline. Sport fishing in the water beyond 10 feet is legal. Landing your catch within the riparian habitat is illegal, so if you are fishing outside the riparian habitat you should be prepared to handle your catch without moving into the closed area.

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