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    I'm curious whether or not there is a different buoy requirement for those who commercial shrimp? The reason I ask is simple, with the potential for very long lines of gear on bottom it would be nice to know what's in the neighborhood. A different sort of buoy marking would help us out there. With the netter's it's simply a matter of avoiding the trillion boats close in to the gear but shrimpers don't usually hang around all day! I'm respectful of others and always give a wide berth. To date I have not had any "problems" and would like to keep up that good record!
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    Commercial buoys have the 5 digit ADFG number and the boat name on them, typically. The lines on the bottom shouldn't be all that long - if memory serves, commercial lines could only carry a max of five pots last year - but regardless, that is how the buoys should look.

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    Last year you could only have pots on a single line. 5 pots or more require 2 lines/bouys. Also note every one on board has to have an immersion suit, boat has to desplay commerical numbers, and survival raft depending upon size of boat/number of crew.

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    Whoops, that's right...four pots, not five.

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    Thank's guys, that answers my question. If their bout like everyone else it's non issue for me, just keep the typical distance. As you could see my concern might be oversetting a guy who's buoy is way over there. Aparently ADFG already took the corrective action!

    As to all the safety gear, I guess if I see a bunch of them in the water I'd stop and give em a hand but the question was just to make sure I am clear of the gear. I suppose we'll see "greater activity" in some of our "regular spots" this year, may learn a thing or two as a result!

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    Alasgun,

    Good question, thanks for asking. I was wondering the same thing on avoiding tangling gear this year with the commercial shrimping area having been moved further to the west.

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    If it's anything like last year, I wouldn't expect to see too much in the way of increased activity. There was a pretty big initial interest last spring, but by May only nine vessels were participating, and in July only two vessels ran commercial shrimp gear. There might be a bit of an uptick in participation since it is closer to Whittier (though further from Valdez) and because some of the areas overlap with commercial salmon areas, but still, I wouldn't expect much if the past is any indication.

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    How much are they getting for shrimp? Seems like the commercial guys would need to catch a lot of shrimp just to break even unless they getting a crapload of money/lb. Does anybody know? Just curious how it pays off.
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    I don't know the price, but given the drop off from well over 100 vessels chasing them the first three days last year to only two chasing them later in the season, I'm guessing it's not very lucrative.

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    http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm...shrimp_updates Doug you can read about the last opener in 2010 . The most boats that fished at one time was 68. Total that fished was 75. The average number of shrimp per pot was around 1.5 pounds. So if you pulled your pots 2 times a day you got 3 pounds of shrimp which is 60 pounds which comes out to 30 pounds of tails and sold them to a tender at $6 a pound you made $180. Peter Pan in Valdez paid $8 a pound. Most boats quit after the first openner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captaindd View Post
    The most boats that fished at one time was 68. Total that fished was 75.
    Whoops! I drew my number from the total vessel registrations, not the # that actually fished. My mistake - I was skimming a little too quickly.

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    Wow. Just take a hand full of 20's and throw it overboard and never leave the slip. I suspect fuel prices will kill the comercial season this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian M View Post
    I don't know the price, but given the drop off from well over 100 vessels chasing them the first three days last year to only two chasing them later in the season, I'm guessing it's not very lucrative.
    There would have to be a huge bio-mass of voracious spots to make ends meet w/ the 20 pot limit. It just doesn't pencil.





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    Seward 0 - 10 005.jpgThis is surely a perspective thing. When you look at the cost associated with the harvest to include equipment, operational costs etc it COULD be perceived as bleak. As in most things there's more than meets the eye! I can't imagine the few operating through the entire season were average guys. The average guy's are the ones generating the statistics. The good ones are typically exceeding those catch figures and have found a way to be profitable!
    Now look at this. If a politician were brought into the mix and shown how he could be perceived as creating employment opportunities" by gaining some government subsidy that would bring the price per pound up to say, $30 per lb, it would be a whole another story.
    Then if that same politician were an innovative thinker and decided to market the catch ALL OVER THE WORLD as a replacement for Japanese sea food which no one wants, the demand would far exceed the supply. Then the price per pound would naturally rise to meet the demand and the politician could withdraw the subsidies. At this point everyone has won, our commercial shrimpers have gained world wide prominence and everyone sings kumbaya.
    Then at the newly established price of, say $40 a pound everyone would buy a new boat like Steve's and go commercial! Then we quit singing and go back to shouting cause there's too many commercial guys raping the resource and shoving us little guys out of the picture!

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    captaindd,

    Thanks for the link. I'll bookmark it.

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    The area they shrimp in has moved this year....figure out where they are and go somewhere else.

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    Alasgun I was out there until mid June and the guys that where still fishing where just average guys. You can not do much with just 20 pots. There is no magic formula just place your pots pull them see what the numbers are then either reset or move. I used 39" Ladners, some of Steves pots, and a few other types just to see what worked best. Look at the numbers for South East Alaska and they do not do any better. There was a guy last year that said if you are fishing with less that 300 pots you are wasting your time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alasgun View Post
    Seward 0 - 10 005.jpgThis is surely a perspective thing. When you look at the cost associated with the harvest to include equipment, operational costs etc it COULD be percieved as bleak. As in most things there's more than meets the eye! I can't imagine the few operating thru the entire season were average guys. The average guy's are the ones generating the statistics. The good ones are typically exceeding those catch figures and have found a way to be profitable!
    Now look at this. If a politician were brought into the mix and shown how he could be percieved as creating employment opportunities" by gaining some government subsidy that would bring the price per pound up to say, $30 per lb, it would be a whole nuther story.
    Then if that same politician were an inovative thinker and decided to market the catch ALL OVER THE WORLD as a replacement for jap sea food which no one wants, the demand would far exceed the supply. Then the price per pound would naturally rise to meet the demand and the politician could withdraw the subsidies. At this point everyone has won, our commercial shrimpers have gained world wide prominance and everyone sing's kumbaya.
    Then at the newly established price of, say $40 a pound everyone would buy a new boat like Steves and go commercial! Then we quit singing and go back to shouting cause there's too many commercial guys rapeing the resource and shoving us little guys out of the picture!

    The moral of this story is, if you want factual information stick with Brian who's straight forward, honest approach can be relied on. If on the other hand your after rumor and inuendo, i'm your man. Either way you can always come here expecting to get your needs met.

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    http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm...shrimp_updates

    Seasons opens April 15 to April 19. Max 40 pots

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    Quote Originally Posted by captaindd View Post

    Seasons opens April 15 to April 19. Max 40 pots
    Whoooo....looks like I've got a lot of pots to build/modify.

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