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    Default Lets beat a dead horse about .460 vs. 454 shall we?

    Like many things, I had my mind made up today when I walked into the local sporting goods store, I was going to own a .460 s&w with the 5inch barrel, nuff said. I like the size, and the variety of rounds being able to shoot etc etc, plus my brother owns the 454 and lets just say there maybe a competition thing underlying somewhere.
    I hadn't even seen the 454 410 Taurus. this brings up a whole new dilemma. Now you can have a bear gun and a grouse gun in one package?
    So I guess I have to ask if anybody has shot the 454 410 and what did they think about the 410 aspect of it? I would think the shot out of the short barrel would scatter too much to be effective at much of a distance? What opinions are out there regarding the recoil difference between the 454 410 and 460? the other benefit of the 454 is about 400 dollars cheaper.
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    The whole .410 for birds out of a rifled 3" barrel was hashed out here.
    http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/...irds-and-bears
    Generally, a 10 yard proposition for the .410, and the .45/.454 will lose accuracy due to long cylinder jump. I would recommend you get a .454(SRH) and stick a CCI shotshell in the first chamber. Best of all worlds, IMO.

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    Get the 460 for the reasons you already know and put it in a Johnston Guide Gear holster you will never be disappointed!!
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    I wasn't even thinking about stupid birds until today @#$@$#@!! can you shoot the smaller sized like 454 or 45 cci shot shells out of the .460? Do they make them in .460?

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    Quote Originally Posted by halibutcollier View Post
    I wasn't even thinking about stupid birds until today @#$@$#@!! can you shoot the smaller sized like 454 or 45 cci shot shells out of the .460? Do they make them in .460?
    You would use the .45 colt CCi shot shell and yes they do work.

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    Well 454 Super Redhawk is a great gun and you wonít go wrong there if you go that way. Hard to find them in 4Ē or 5Ē though . . . the 8Ē or the snub is all I ever see for sale. So most guys end up getting the 8Ē and cutting it down or otherwise modifying one.

    Now I have a couple Taurus 357s and sure like them but Iíve had my hands on many a Judge and Raging Bull . . . donít waste your money on the Taurus! The 410 thing is okay in a parking lot pointing at a bad guy but for birds itís a gimmick, the rifling makes it pattern like a doughnut all around snow hen you want in the pot. I hate the lock setup on Raging Bull 454s and the innards donít seem to care much for the snappy recoil of 454. And yes recoil is very snappy in that light little Ragging Bull 454!

    460 to me is the way to go, you get a whole lot for your money with a 460 X-frame. It will push bigger bullets faster than 454 with about the same recoil as a SRH. It is just incredible for long range with 200s thanks to the progressive rifling. It will do 45 Colt, 454, 460, can be moded for 45acp and they ALL are surprisingly accurate thanks to the progressive rifling. Every X-frame Iíve had my hands on has an exhalant trigger. You just get a heck of a lot of goodies right out of the box for the couple hundred bucks over a Super Redhawk. I was shopping for a 454 Super Redhawk and handed a 460V . . . man am I happy that guy talked me into spending the extra money.
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    The .460 is only a few ounces more than the SRH, has a built in muzzle break, and can shoot a much more powerful round. In addition the barrel is already the desired length and the action doesn't require any expensive re-work to make it crisp and smooth.

    Looks like a no-brainer for anyone other than the die-hard Ruger fans that are now stuck with their heavy clunky also-ran .454s Oh- I guess should also include the gunsmiths that have made a bunch of $$ re-working Rugers to make them work like S&Ws.


    Quote Originally Posted by tailwind View Post
    The whole .410 for birds out of a rifled 3" barrel was hashed out here.
    http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/...irds-and-bears
    Generally, a 10 yard proposition for the .410, and the .45/.454 will lose accuracy due to long cylinder jump. I would recommend you get a .454(SRH) and stick a CCI shotshell in the first chamber. Best of all worlds, IMO.
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    Buy the .460 and carry one of these for birds:
    http://www.berettausa.com/products/m...t/default.aspx
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    Quote Originally Posted by tvfinak View Post
    The .460 is only a few ounces more than the SRH, has a built in muzzle break, and can shoot a much more powerful round. In addition the barrel is already the desired length and the action doesn't require any expensive re-work to make it crisp and smooth.

    Looks like a no-brainer for anyone other than the die-hard Ruger fans that are now stuck with their heavy clunky also-ran .454s Oh- I guess should also include the gunsmiths that have made a bunch of $$ re-working Rugers to make them work like S&Ws.
    WOW. Talk about beating a dead horse!
    BTW did you just recommend a heavier, bigger gun, and then call the SRH heavy/clunky! Your crazy. I like you, but your crazy!

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    If you are gonna buy a "bear" gun is it going to be effective as intended with bird shot in the chamber. It would suck
    If the time come that I needed The pistol it would be a crappy feeling trying to remember what's in it shotshell or
    Or large chuck of lead. Also are people comparing a Smith and a Taurus, that's funny

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeL View Post
    Also are people comparing a Smith and a Taurus, that's funny
    Isn't it . . . but when you conceder you could almost buy two Taurus for the price of the Smith I see why he is. However Iíd rather have one Smith or one Ruger that will run, last, and be trust worthy with these heavy hitter rounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowwolfe View Post
    Buy the .460 and carry one of these for birds:
    http://www.berettausa.com/products/m...t/default.aspx
    Can you hit a bird with that? Looks are a bit reminiscent of Will Smithís nosy cricket in Men in Black.
    Ruger Mark I/II/III would be my pick for popping birds.
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    Read the thread title-- "Let's beat a dead horse...."

    Heavy and clunky depends on the caliber - the S&W would be heavy and clunky in .454 but in .460 it is a different story. I not crazy - I just act that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by tailwind View Post
    WOW. Talk about beating a dead horse!
    BTW did you just recommend a heavier, bigger gun, and then call the SRH heavy/clunky! Your crazy. I like you, but your crazy!
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    Thanks for the input guys, .460 is the way to go, I knew that before I posted but just needed a little reinforcement, you guys are the best! I'll be crossing my fingers for a deal at the show this weekend, and buying 45 colt cci shells. Thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by tvfinak View Post
    Read the thread title-- "Let's beat a dead horse...."

    Heavy and clunky depends on the caliber - the S&W would be heavy and clunky in .454 but in .460 it is a different story. I not crazy - I just act that way.
    Th longer 460 case doesn't make the X-Frame light and sevelt, it is still clunky

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    The X-Frame XVR 460 S&W with 8 3/8" barrel wieghs 72.5 ounces. The Ruger SRH in 454 with a 7 1/2" barrel weighs 53 ounces and the SRH has enough cylinder to house 6 rounds instead of 5

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    Default 5" .460

    The subject gun was is 5" .460, not the 8 3/8".

    However, checking the S&W website I don't see the 5" .460 listed anymore - don't know what is up but if you want a 5" .460 better grab it now!

    I don't have the weight for the 5" .460 but the weight listed for a 6.5" .500 is 60.7 oz - less than 15% more than the SRH yet the X frame fires a much more powerful round. I suspect the 5" .460 is pretty close to that of the SRH.

    You may have to shoot something 6 times with the .454 but the odds of needing or having the time to shoot a bear 5 times with a .460 or .500 is about zip. Having 5 rds vs. 6 rds just isn't an issue for a bear gun.


    Quote Originally Posted by jwp500 View Post
    The X-Frame XVR 460 S&W with 8 3/8" barrel wieghs 72.5 ounces. The Ruger SRH in 454 with a 7 1/2" barrel weighs 53 ounces and the SRH has enough cylinder to house 6 rounds instead of 5
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    5" .460 weights 62.5 oz and I called Smith and Wesson about six months ago to ask them about the 460v and they said that it was discontinued so if you want a new one you better buy it now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tvfinak View Post
    The subject gun was is 5" .460, not the 8 3/8".

    However, checking the S&W website I don't see the 5" .460 listed anymore - don't know what is up but if you want a 5" .460 better grab it now!

    I don't have the weight for the 5" .460 but the weight listed for a 6.5" .500 is 60.7 oz - less than 15% more than the SRH yet the X frame fires a much more powerful round. I suspect the 5" .460 is pretty close to that of the SRH.

    You may have to shoot something 6 times with the .454 but the odds of needing or having the time to shoot a bear 5 times with a .460 or .500 is about zip. Having 5 rds vs. 6 rds just isn't an issue for a bear gun.
    And just how many bear have you shot with your .460? And you know that sixth shot may never be needed, how? What kind of experience are you basing you opinion on?

    They discontinued the sale of the 5-inch probably because they're not selling them. The chunky monkey is not en vogue. Seems to me that even with the short barrel, it's still quite a bit heavier than an SRH with a full 7.5-inch barrel. Guess you could shoot it and cook it all in one -- if you miss you will in the very least, blind, burn, and deafen the bear.

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    Well I love mine, don't find it clunky at all. It will pull your pants down but I hate a gun flopping around on my pants belt anyway. I hardley know it's there on my chest rig. Hate X-frams all you want but it's a great gun and it's gonna be very hard to convence anyone that ownes one otherwise!
    Here is one of mine next to a 44 Blackhawk.
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    And on a scale, 4lb 3.9oz loaded with 395g 460s
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