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    Default I Hate Black Rifles!!!

    But, Camo ones are cool Okay I'm kidding before anyone drives by my house and shoots it up.





    Just back back from the range zeroing the scope on my new Remington VTR in .223. Sure was nice to shoot a M-16 style rifle without the military supervising me. This was the first time I have fired one since I retired and I had a blast. Them old predators better be on the look out!!! Zeroed it at 200 yards and then started busting clays on the 300 yards bank at Cushman range today.

    I can see how someone could go through some serious rounds with one of these, it was awesome. I have been shooting some magnums lately and that little love tap recoil sure was pleasant.

    Not so sure I like the trigger, seemed just a touch heavy and had some creep. Anyone recommend a fix for the trigger???? I know we have some AR experts on here.

    Again, was only kidding and I like the blacks one too.


    200 yards group, not too bad for a 18inch barrel carbine.



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    Stid, I have one but mine has a 2 stage trigger. Just learning as this is my first build but may make another without the 2 stage. Enjoyed your pictures and that looks like real good accuracy out of a 16" barrel. Mine has a 20" but I only have shot it 100 yards so far. Just joined a local gun club so will be getting more shooting shortly. I put a Leupold Mark AR on mine with mil dot so I need some longer range for sighting the dots. Oh and those benches look nice and solid and bullet proof. Thanks.

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    Good call on the lead sled those black guns can tear your arm off if you aren't careful!!

    Timney makes a drop in trigger for the AR's that should straighten that out. RRA has a two stage as well that is the next step up from the GI issue. I am not sure what comes on the ruger stock though.

    My kids love my AR15 with the 6 pos stock and kitten kick. Thankfully pretty cheap ammo is fairly easy to come by so I just let em shoot till they get bored. I am going to put together a 6.8 SPC pretty soon for my oldest's 9th b-day.

    Congrats on another fine shooting rifle there Steve!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuJon View Post
    Good call on the lead sled those black guns can tear your arm off if you aren't careful!!

    Timney makes a drop in trigger for the AR's that should straighten that out. RRA has a two stage as well that is the next step up from the GI issue. I am not sure what comes on the ruger stock though.

    My kids love my AR15 with the 6 pos stock and kitten kick. Thankfully pretty cheap ammo is fairly easy to come by so I just let em shoot till they get bored. I am going to put together a 6.8 SPC pretty soon for my oldest's 9th b-day.

    Congrats on another fine shooting rifle there Steve!
    .223 isn't 'cheap' in my book if you're going to be putting MASS amounts of volume through the tube....S&W M&P 15-22 takes care of that fix!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hunt_ak View Post
    .223 isn't 'cheap' in my book if you're going to be putting MASS amounts of volume through the tube....S&W M&P 15-22 takes care of that fix!!
    yeah, no argument there. I don't do mag dumps, I just smile and let the kids shoot that cheapo PPC stuff. I plan on rolling my own in the future so brass collecting is the kids new hobby!

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    Timbers are great and drop right in. I have two and they both work great after thousands of rounds.

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    My iPhone autospelled timbers. It was supposed to say timneys

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    Stid,

    Eventually I plan to upgrade the trigger of one of my black rifles so your trigger question kicked off a short internet search. Below is one of the web sites I found. It has some information that you might find useful.

    AJ

    http://benchrest.com/showthread.php?...precision-work

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    The sled and spotter are just part of my range kit. I always clean my barrels at the range while they are still warm. Plus always nice to have a solid rest to do scope work.

    Those ARs can be fun when you aren't wearing a 100lbs of gear to include the helmet of obedience.

    Thanks for the trigger advice, got some shopping to do now.

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    Okay, I will admit it, whats a 2 stage trigger???? and why are they better???

    Thanks in advance.

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    For more than 40 years I was a classic wood and blued pre 64 winchester man. I still love the classic beauty of a working class bolt action. But now most days I do my walks with a AR-15 in 6.8 SPC but this summer I hope to be walking this baby, That is if Ken finds one for me.
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    Steve,
    Thats just not right - for two days now I have been looking at the Rem,Bushmaster,DPMS 223's and licking my chops and had decided the 22 or even 24in bbl was the way to go for the utmost accuracy - then you poke the eyes outa that 200 yard tgt with a pipsqueak bbl and ruin my night! Geez, now I gotta rethink what I want - too many guns too little moola!
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    I was starting wonder what was wrong with you Steve.

    Bashing black guns and then using a lead sled to shoot a 223!

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    Yea, Smokey I now the deal. If I buy anymore right now I'm going to have to keep them on the down low from the wife to stay out of the dog house. I'm extremely happy with it except for the trigger. I have after market triggers in most of my rigs and they have spoiled me.

    Sure was great today to smell some gunpowder after a long winter!!!

    I was going to order a Timney for it, but I have to measure the pin size. Not sure which one it has and they ask on the website.

    The only other issue I had was trying to see them itty bitty holes at 200 yards!!! Next time I need to take a youngster to spot for me or get a stronger spotting scope. Wish I could order some NEW EYES!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stid2677 View Post
    Yea, Smokey I now the deal. If I buy anymore right now I'm going to have to keep them on the down low from the wife to stay out of the dog house. I'm extremely happy with it except for the trigger. I have after market triggers in most of my rigs and they have spoiled me.

    Sure was great today to smell some gunpowder after a long winter!!!

    I was going to order a Timney for it, but I have to measure the pin size. Not sure which one it has and they ask on the website.

    The only other issue I had was trying to see them itty bitty holes at 200 yards!!! Next time I need to take a youngster to spot for me or get a stronger spotting scope. Wish I could order some NEW EYES!!!!!

    Steve
    Oh, you asked what a 2 stage trigger is - best I can tell you is that it simply is designed to make the shooter pull through a first stage - many set about 3.5lbs I believe to kinda prep you for the second stage which firms up and then acts like a single stage - breaking about 1.5 - 2lbs on many guns. Kinda gives the shooter a chance to ease into it then break unexpectedly at the second stage...Hope that makes sense. Some people like the "warming up" part I guess??? Kinda foreplay with a gun?
    My gun guru friend says Timney all the way if you decide to switch it out - can be done by you with a little effort at home...
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    Quote Originally Posted by stid2677 View Post
    Okay, I will admit it, whats a 2 stage trigger???? and why are they better???

    Thanks in advance.

    Steve
    They are NOT better. There are two stages first stage could be any weight, and if you are pulling slowly you will feel it stop as it comes up to the second heavier stage. Your AR will have a two stage trigger. Your bolt action hunting rifle will have a single stage trigger. If you own a Ruger it will have a 17 stage trigger like dragging a concrete block across ten pot-holes.......

    Wilson has a super single stage trigger $269.00

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    Get a good single stage and live happily ever after!

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    You guys rock as always. Ordered a Timney Trigger AR-15 Skeletonized set at 3lbs. Will post a range report once I get it installed.

    Thanks
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    I have replaced some of my AR trigers with the two stage NM from Bushmasters. I will not replace all of my AR trigers as I do not want light trigers on weapons that I might need for defense.
    These are fun to shoot and just about anyone can learn to shoot them well, meaning kids and such. The grandaughters have been shooting AR's since they were about 7 years old.
    Good shooting and have fun!

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    Good deal, can't wait for the pics of the groups w/ the new trigger!

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