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    Question CRIMSON TRACE?'s Any of you guys Use them?

    Well I am considering going with the crimson trace for my XD45 and possibly for my Taurus Tracker 44.
    I have herd great reviews on the crimson trace and I feel comfortable sendign the $$$ on one for each pistol. I am however consideritn the Lasermax. I like the idea of an internal laser but I question how reliable they are?
    Wit hthe price of ammo for these guns I am better off just spendign the $$$ on a crimson, than spending the same ammount on ammo and hoping I become one hell of a shot with each gun.
    Any of you guys used these lasers before? Any problems? Worth the $$$

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    I like them, used them on a couple different pistols. Have one on my Glock 22 now, nothing says back the "F" up like a bright red dot on your chest. Nice for times were you have to aim and can't bring the gun up to eye level. High quality, well inter-graded and worth the money for me.

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    CTCs are one of our biggest sellers, the lasermax are excellent too.

    If you are on the fence about Crimson Trace, you may wish to wait for the sportsman show. We rule

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    I have both Crimson Trace and LaserMax internal laser on Glocks. I just bought an XD Tactical 45 caliber last week and the LaserMax is to be delivered this afternoon for it.

    Personally I prefer the internal guide rod version of LaserMax. It is easy to install on Glock's anyway but I have not tried the XD yet. Mine were dead on with no adjustment, and it is protected from outside forces by the pistol itself.

    My two LaserMax's are in a Glock 30 and a Glock 22 (model, not caliber) and neither has given the slightest problem so far. The LaserMax costs a bit more but is worth more as far as I am concerned. There is nothing sticking out the side to catch on clothing if you are drawing it or to break because it hits something. Also you can use the normal everyday holster with LaserMax while you may have to get something custom for use with Crimson Trace.

    Both do well but LaserMax does better. Try Opticsplanet for prices or just google it.
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    I use the Crimson Trace grips on my 1911, and they work great. I was a little weary about the internal guide rod lasers, because I was afraid after shooting for a while, it would be covered up by burnt powder that accumulates around the end of my gun. I don't know if this is actually a problem or not. Can anybody elaborate?
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    I can only report on the CTL Grips, never tried others. I had them on a G19, they were well made, bright, reliable. They did not show up well on sunny days, but indoors and low light situations were really ideal. My G19 fit standard holsters with the CTL Grips and I did not think they stuck out so far as to be obtrusive.

    Ended up trading off the pistol, but I would like to get another set for one of my 1911's. I would advocate still practicing and becoming proficient with your standard sights though in case of breakage or battery failure. If I had one complaint about them, it would be that I found myself ignoring my sights and just aiming the dot, pulling the trigger, and enjoy the appearance of a hole in the target! They just seemed to mke me cheat and were very easy to become proficient with. I am sure you will be thrilled with them!

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    With my agency we have a few slightly long in the tooth officers who are experiencing near vision problems have been issued Laser Max's for their issue Glocks. there are a few issues (the laser is easily accidentally activated when holstered, there's always someone walking around the LEC with a red dot on the floor by his foot, and battery life could be better) but by & large the officers who have them, like them.

    Personally I have considered a set of Crimson Trace Hog Hunter grips for my 629, but get pulled up short by A. the price, and B. lack of confidence in battery life when used on a handgun that spends most of it's time in outdoor temps.

    The price on both the Crimson Trace and Laser Max products are simply obcsene. I bet they could sell either for $150 (still high but easier to sell to a spouse or Chief) and still make a tidy profit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NDTerminator View Post
    The price on both the Crimson Trace and Laser Max products are simply obcsene. I bet they could sell either for $150 (still high but easier to sell to a spouse or Chief) and still make a tidy profit...
    I agree. There is NO way those things cost anwhere near what they charge. And to me, so far, they are not worth the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duckslayer56 View Post
    I use the Crimson Trace grips on my 1911, and they work great. I was a little weary about the internal guide rod lasers, because I was afraid after shooting for a while, it would be covered up by burnt powder that accumulates around the end of my gun. I don't know if this is actually a problem or not. Can anybody elaborate?

    You can clean the end of the LaserMax with a Q-tip easily. The LaserMax I have had the longest is on a Glock 30. After your comment it got my curiosity working because I have never cleaned the opening. Since I had not thought of this, I got the Glock out and checked the laser on the wall. It seemed bright to me but I cleaned it with a Q-tip anyway. Nothing showed on the end of the Q-tip and the brightness of the laser on the wall seemed the same. Based on this quick test of only one of their product, burnt powder does not seem to be a problem.
    To take it further, I called the two largest gun stores in my area and asked your question to them. Neither store had ever heard of anyone having that problem with a LaserMax.


    As you look at the business end of the LaserMax, you will see that the light emitting opening is recessed. My guess is that is done to both protect the laser and to give it sort of a cave to hide in so things like burnt gun powder will not be able to stick.
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    Alot of great info and opinions have came from this topic so far. Thanks!
    I am now considering purchasing a used lasermax for my XD45 and the Crimson trace for my 44. I am not in a hurry, so I am hoping by watching ebay I can score a good used laser.
    I also agree that the price is inflated on these. Lasers these days are extremely cheap and functional. They have a market where they know we will pay, unfortunately I think I will fork out the $$$ and I will see the price drop next year!

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    The laser makes a great target for the bad guy....so do flashlights.

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    There is NO way those things cost anwhere near what they charge.
    Cheap Chinese modules are cheap. I dont know that either LM or CTC use the cheap ones. And then there are tooling costs and all other associated costs with making and selling a product. And if the modules are japanese modules, watch the price rise

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    I've personally used the LG401 on my 5" 1911 for 5 years+. Once zeroed they are spot on every time and battery life is fantastic. I use it on my personal carry so I leave it "active" unless I'm at the range, where I turn off the main switch. Yeah they're a bit spendy ($200 online) but for me it's three fold. Lasers are great when applied in a practical anti gun porn manner. (From what I understand) the primary reason for a laser on a defensive pistol is to be able to fire from a position where one cannot obatin a proper sight picture, ie. shooting from the hip at extreme close quarters, akwardly around a baracade, or especially when on the ground. The activation pad is also located on the most important part of the grip- under the middle finger, so there is no extra step to activate it when urgency is in play. Finally, the grip itself provides great purchase for controlled recoil (again my opinion). I was once told that one can fire the 1911 pistol by simply using your thumb and middle finger, well with the placement of the activation switch, that is more than comfortable.

    I've had the lasermax in a Glock, and they are also quality systems. But I prefer an instictive switch vise one where I'd have to add an extra step to activate it.

    Now I am by no means qualified to go into detail about low light tactics and such, but lights and lasers do indeed draw immediate attention in low light conditions. However when applied "correctly" the advantages thoroughly outweigh the latter. The movies and videogames just really set the wrong impression of these additions.

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    In addition to making a target (for the bad guy), they also let the guy know that your adrenaline is pumping, you're nervous, and that little red dot is all over the room (or at least tells him when it's not on him)

    Went to a room clearing course a few years ago, and lasers/ gun mounted lights were serious taboo..- flashlight at the weak arm's length away from body is the way to go.

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    With a laser you can hold the firearm at the same distance from your body as the flashlight would be and still hit the target if the laser is on the target. You do not have to sight down the barrel in the traditional way. Much quicker and safer that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akheloce View Post
    In addition to making a target (for the bad guy), they also let the guy know that your adrenaline is pumping, you're nervous, and that little red dot is all over the room (or at least tells him when it's not on him)

    Went to a room clearing course a few years ago, and lasers/ gun mounted lights were serious taboo..- flashlight at the weak arm's length away from body is the way to go.
    The man is correct!!

    Learn to shoot your gun instinctively and you won't need crutches. Trigger finger belongs out of the trigger guard until you are ready to shoot so do what you have been doing since you were 2 years old....point your finger at the target and then shoot it. Try it, practice it, it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boliep View Post
    With a laser you can hold the firearm at the same distance from your body as the flashlight would be and still hit the target if the laser is on the target. You do not have to sight down the barrel in the traditional way. Much quicker and safer that way.
    Not trying to sound offensive, but really? You can shoot accurately with the gun pointed downrange when out to your side accurately? You practice this? When you are in an instinctive-reactionary setting, this is what you are going to do? Again, not trying to be rude, but I'm not buying that.

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    Going back and reading my earlier post the line "flashlight with weak arm at arms' length is the way to go" is wrong for the typical homeowner situation.

    If you have a flashlight on your weapon to illuminate the target, that is wrong... immediate bad guy response is to put out the light (in line with your head)

    If you hear a noise, and investigate by yourself with a flashlight (at arms length) and a gun, that is wrong... you cannot safely clear even your own house by yourself.

    If you cannot identify your target at night without a flashlight, then IMO, don't shoot... Is it your teenage son sneeking in? or a friend who had too much to drink who stumbled into your house?- use good judgement.

    A laser does not help you identify your target as a threat. It only has the aforementioned negatives (IMO).

    My plan, and what I do is practice practice practice to shoot instinctively, and with just plain ole iron sights, with my weak finger pointed at my target. If I can properly identify a threat/target, and the justification is present, I will shoot body, body, head... ... body , body, head... ... repeat as needed until the reason I felt the need to start shooting is stopped.

    Just my .02

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akheloce View Post
    Not trying to sound offensive, but really? You can shoot accurately with the gun pointed downrange when out to your side accurately? You practice this? When you are in an instinctive-reactionary setting, this is what you are going to do? Again, not trying to be rude, but I'm not buying that.
    I am not asking you to buy it but telling you what you can do with just a little practice. I did not think you were being rude but obviously you have not tried it.

    There is no argument that shooting with the arm extended out to the side is not going to work for long shots but we are talking about close range, self defense situations. A long shot would be 20 feet, not yards. Very easy to hit close to where you aim with a laser and your arm extended.
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    I wonder how many "bump in the night" burglars are really practiced, proficient handgun shooters? Based on what I have seen in people who rarely or never shoot their handguns, you'd likely be safer giving them a point of "aim" at your center mass! (This is totally tounge-in-cheek before anyone freaks out)

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