check this out upon doing some homework i tracked down some answers......the vendor that sells ak ammo is VF Grace i have their phone # if needed but the ammo comes from an old man from soldatna .....e.b. recreation is what they told me. the guy loads all loads within sammi specs and is safe in all firearms.... i was a little skepticle about putting 200 gr hc gc through my taurus 8 shot 357. ill give it a try. if you never here from me again dont listen to this post- rudy