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    Default Can Salmon Cross Breed?

    Just wondering, when all the salmon are pretty much together in the same small stream how is there not a cross breed between Pinks/chums, chums/silvers, or silvers and pinks? Or are there? Just a thought!

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    interesting question... is a fish a fish as a dog is a dog?... in curious... would asume no tho

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    I would think so... probably a major reason why salmon evolved to spawn at different times of the year and in different types of habitat/water.

    Rainbow trout and cutthroat trout can hybridize... cutbows.
    Brown trout and brook trout can hybridize... tiger trout.
    Lake trout and brook trout can hybridize... splake.

    True that's trout and char... but not really any different.
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    There are documented chinook x pink hybrids.... pinooks.

    There are documented chum x pink hybrids.... chumpies.

    There are documented chinook x coho hybrids.... co-nooks.
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    As long as were dreaming, how about a Salmon, that was the size of a King, the fight of a Silver and the Taste of a Red..............!
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    If Kenai sockeye grew to the size of Kenai kings, we'd be landing dam few.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishNphysician View Post
    There are documented chinook x pink hybrids.... pinooks.

    There are documented chum x pink hybrids.... chumpies.

    There are documented chinook x coho hybrids.... co-nooks.
    Are there any photos of such hybridizations? I think it would be cool to see what one would look like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaskaIsCold View Post
    Are there any photos of such hybridizations? I think it would be cool to see what one would look like.
    I don't have a pic, but I have seen a chumpie first hand. That was years ago when I worked on a commercial troller in SE for a summer. It had the body size & shape of chum, no spots and small humpy-sized scales.

    Never seen any of the others but have also heard of king x pink called a "kink"

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishNphysician View Post
    There are documented chinook x pink hybrids.... pinooks.

    There are documented chum x pink hybrids.... chumpies.

    There are documented chinook x coho hybrids.... co-nooks.
    I was thinking of starting this very thread yesterday while reading the "is this a trout or a salmon thread".
    Thats interesting Doc, I've seen w/ my very eyes a chumpy, but the thought pinook freaks me out!


    Quote Originally Posted by fishNphysician View Post
    If Kenai sockeye grew to the size of Kenai kings, we'd be landing dam few.
    Ain't that the truth! I love to see a school of about a hundred of hit my net in about a 20' section, talk about an explosion (in my pants), 1st there would be a big V in the corkline then it would sink a little then all the sudden there would be a 100 hogs reaching for the sky all at once, you'd be hearing snaps like 22 gun shots as 60 pound bucks were blowing through the web my God man what a dream! We need to find some biologist to champion this feet, so I can live the dream

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    Chumpies are the most common. Com. Fish guys catch quite a few each summer.
    I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaskaIsCold View Post
    Are there any photos of such hybridizations? I think it would be cool to see what one would look like.
    Here's a pic of a pinook caught in Ontario.


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    Here's a pinook that's more pink than chinook.

    I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

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    thanks for all the input.......was just curious is all. i figured you can mix breed dogs and cats, why not fish?

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    yes but they typically don't return to spawn (except in the great lakes) likely due to reduced fitness making it hard for them to make it back...

    ADF&G stocked some pinooks a while back in lakes they figured they'd grow bigger.
    I choose to fly fish, not because its easy, but because its hard.

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    Are all the cross breeds mentioned done by MAN?

    The last Pinook looked like a late run jack salmon...to me.

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    Good question George, I know there are hybrid tanner crab (cross between opie and bairdi) that are natural. I've seen a sockeye in w/ the pinks once when I was a kid at rabbit creek at potters marsh and it looked like he was gettin jiggy w/ some bi@tch humpy

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Riddle View Post
    Are all the cross breeds mentioned done by MAN?

    The last Pinook looked like a late run jack salmon...to me.

    George
    The pinooks in Ontario are natural not planted.

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    Chumpies are not man made. They are caught in many wild fisheries. These cross breeds don't reproduce because hybrids of that sort are generally sterile.
    I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Riddle View Post
    Are all the cross breeds mentioned done by MAN?

    The last Pinook looked like a late run jack salmon...to me.

    George
    Cross breeding occurs in the wild quite a bit, especially between kings and pinks, but its been documents in other crosses as well. Its just you rarely see the cross breed in an adult form because they don't make it back, being genetically weak they tend to get eaten etc. Also they may not have the desire to swim upstream and spawn (because they can't) and stray a lot. Pinooks are fairly common in the great lakes however, probably because the great lakes fish don't need as high of fitness to survive to adulthood
    I choose to fly fish, not because its easy, but because its hard.

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    So Akpowder,
    Crossbreeding adults are lazy....I must be a crossbreed but I am good with a remote...

    George

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