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    Default Thriving, Voracious Dermestid Beetle Colony, Looking for a Home

    So, for your Mid Winter entertainment,.......
    Here’s some pics and details on our Beetle Colony Project of this summer/fall.

    We started with a 300 Beetle Purchase (starter package from Kodiak Bones and Bugs just down the street in our town, picked up in person, a day after my first call) Sooo Convenient

    This website is full of info, all about Skull work, worth looking at for sure don’t miss the FAQ section
    http://www.bonesandbugs.com/purchase...d-beetles.html

    Kind of biz that "acts like this,"
    “Ken told me he actually slid in a few more than 500 to us, for the price of 350 !”

    So, we already had a headstart from the local “Cool Business Guy,” and my boys and I were off and running toward our very own Dermestid Beetle Colony,
    our Goal, to work over our Black Bear Skull recently Killed in June, as well as a Fox skull we had soaking in water for a while.

    Then “Be Ready” in case we got some more skulls from the upcoming Blacktail season, Bull Elk Draw, and potential Mtn Goat chase later in the fall.

    My two boys, 8 and 3 yrs, are Very Interested in Beetles that Consume Flesh, as you can imagine.
    “A little bit stinky tho,” but that’s all the more interesting



    We figured we had to have them outside, kinda smelly for Mom, (and us too really),
    so came up with a warm, dark place for them, underneath this box, sitting on top of a piece of rigid foam insulation, with a Gunsafe heater inside the box to keep them around 75F with no light to speak of, yet the box overhangs the insulation bottom to let air in.






    Note the thermometer taped to their little home to monitor the temp.

    We added a few Hot Dogs for the first meals while the Bear and Fox Skulls were drying (per Ken’s instruction sheet included with the purchase) to their home,

    inside a smooth sided Plastic Tub, (prevents Jail Breaks) homebuilt screen for the top, bedded with two inches of clean Chainsaw Spruce Shavings.

    Ten Hours in that little raft off the AK peninsula, blowin' NW 60, in November.... "the Power of Life and Death is in the Tongue," and Yes, God is Good !

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    Default Prepping the Meals

    I should add that we laid pieces of Styrofoam in for the Beetle Larvae to bore into while developing, and used an old sponge to moisten now and then for humidity.
    Every couple days or so would resoak it to keep them happy




    We were figuring this out all summer,
    probably spent too much effort trying to Dry the Skulls out, we had them outside in an old aquarium with screen top, etc. for a week or so.

    Later, on other skulls, I just started the prep by freeze drying, (after a good trimming of excess meat, eyes, etc.) and they tore into the fresher stuff just fine.



    After drying for a while, outside, we laid the Fox skull and a couple Black Bear leg bones in there, and watched the action.

    The Fox was in for a week or so before this Bear Skull was introduced. Had soaked the Fox in fresh water for quite a while so it was pretty softened already,

    They cleaned it good within a week.

    Ten Hours in that little raft off the AK peninsula, blowin' NW 60, in November.... "the Power of Life and Death is in the Tongue," and Yes, God is Good !

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    Default Now, for the Black Bear, "Oh, for the Oil..."

    Next, we introduced the Bear Skull,
    it was a bit stinky when the Brain Matter slid out the back.

    We did have a piece of Styrofoam to catch that so I could get rid of it (per Kens instructions, they will eat it all, but he said, “the Brain stuff stinks to high heaven” right there on the instructions sheet, He was Correct…)





    Later with Deer and Mt Goat, I just let them at it, they got through that stuff quick, but that was in a different area than my garage.

    As my wife has to go through there to get to the Freezer for Food,…. Well you can imagine what a hit that was. Beetles on the Brain, Literally



    After the Beetles are finished, we tied the jaws together to prevent losing teeth
    (still did on the Fox, man those things are small)
    and to eliminate that yellow in the bone, we soaked it in water with a heavy mix of Joy Soap.

    Changed it every few days when it developed an oily scum film on top. This went on for quite a while on the Bear Skull. Had a hard time getting the oil out of the lower jaws. But eventually it worked it all out fairly well.



    In Hindsight, I think I’d get it to the Beetles sooner, and get soaking the oil out earlier than I did this time.
    But we’re happy with how it looked after the next step of soaking in Hydrogen Peroxide for a few days.

    (Sorry 'bout the poor focus below)

    Ten Hours in that little raft off the AK peninsula, blowin' NW 60, in November.... "the Power of Life and Death is in the Tongue," and Yes, God is Good !

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    Default Slight Hitch in the Plan...."Uh Oh, Gettin' a bit Chilly Out Here "

    A bit of a Hitch in our plan turned up, in that I was in the midst of traveling 500 miles out west to Fish Sablefish for about five weeks,
    then back in for a few days, and out to hunt Elk,
    then in for a few weeks, and out to Hunt Mt. Goat.

    So was a very “out of town busy” kinda fall for me and the stages of progress were not monitored all that well.
    My Older Insect Specialist, Keegan, was good on keeping them moist (w/sponge, once a week or so) and tossed a hot dog or two in to keep them alive.





    Yet, I think I nearly froze them to death when out Elk Hunting.
    Moved them inside, to a downstairs ventilated bathroom in the building I work at, and they rebounded Big Time



    To whiten the skulls, I just used the kind of Hydrogen Peroxide you can get at any store, which is only 3% or so, ( couldn’t find any of the 40 volume stuff on Island, had to order it from the local hairdresser, didn’t want to wait so…)
    It worked pretty excellently to whiten the bone, maybe took longer??

    Not a trace of smell. Tho you can see a bit of yellow on that lower jaw there.
    I expect to be able to eliminate that next time.

    For our First Home Taxi project, we think our Black Bear turned out fairly well, with a brushed on Epoxy coating to seal and harden, lock in teeth, etc. Puts a nice Gloss on the end product.



    I’ll post more later on the next project, a Velveted Blacktail Buck that was in progress when the Beetles got too cold.

    Long Story short, for now, I tried to have them work the dried velvet off,
    they got into the Antler tips a bit as they weren’t hardened up yet, (kinda bummed about that)
    and then they just stopped production.

    It looked like a horror movie where everything just freezes in place. Beetles everywhere, all over the antlers, etc. but not moving, looking like all dead ????

    Moved them inside, brought heat up to 78F, a Hot Dog or two, and they were off and running. Whew, so much left to do....
    So I had them work on the Blacktail skull some more, they finished it nicely,

    Having felt the antlers were kinda screwed up, and that the Under Velvet Antler bone was abnormally white anyway, I peroxide soaked the entire thing, then Epoxied the end result,

    Now, we all really think it looks pretty cool, so salvaged it some? What do you think?



    Oh adding one more note, as to my title,
    I am currently out of skull projects to work, it's a bit of a kind of a hassle to keep them going, warm and well fed, without a heated shop to house them, so,

    I am offering a Thriving Beetle Colony to anyone on Kodiak, interested in taking care of them this winter.
    You could pass them back to me in the spring after we bring home some more Bear Skulls, maybe have a few more Fox to work on, or you could keep them.

    You do actually get kinda attached to your little buddies. And they are massed in there now, must be at least a thousand.

    Tried to take a close up of them and there was so much movement, Beetles of all stages of maturity, just thrashing for the darkness when your camera light comes on them to focus,
    I couldn’t get anything in focus.

    It’s a Mass of Flesh Eating Critters, Looking for a Home. If you have young boys, they’ll love 'em, if you have a wife, you better find a heated shop outside somewhere.

    PM me if you are interested, I can fill you in on all the details, or you can look at Bones and Bugs site to see what it entails.
    I’ll include the container and all, you just need to keep them warm, probably won’t work in your basement unless your Wife is Tough.

    More to be added to this thread later, Mt. Goat, Roosevelt Bull Elk, andeven a Snowshoe Hare skull !
    Man that last one is Fragile……. What Fun, eh??
    Ten Hours in that little raft off the AK peninsula, blowin' NW 60, in November.... "the Power of Life and Death is in the Tongue," and Yes, God is Good !

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    Cool project and pics, kr. Thanks for posting! Rep inbound.

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    Default Beetles save the Blacktail Rack

    So to continue this project on a bit,
    still no Beetle Babysitters showing up on the Island, well maybe, so if you are interested in some Science Class Fun,.... my PM box has room....

    So, between projects, the little fellas like Hot Dogs, Bore Right Into 'Em
    Nuke them in the microwave, then cool them off, dry off well with papertowel and lay it right in there. Two days, two dogs will disappear



    and as I was giving the short story on the Blacktail, I'l include another close up of the finished product. I brushed Epoxy on to seal, kinda like the Gloss look. They did finish this Blacktail Skull up nicely but as mentioned previous, the cold of October out in the garage caused some delays



    I had shot it in August, had a nice Velvet cover on the Antlers but as I was out Fishing I could only keep the Rack in the fish hold on ice for quite a while, the Velvet didn't fare well, so I decided to let the Beetles at that also. See if they would clean it all off.

    They took off into it but as it got too cold for them they did a "Work Stoppage" on me and the Velvet dried up pretty hard. Didn't seem they were going to finish it so I pulled it and soaked in warm water for a couple weeks. Then hand peeled the Velvet off and reintroduced to the Beetles. They cleaned it all up as far as meat goes, then I just Hydrogen Peroxide soaked the entire thing.



    Next up, Mountain Goat, Still wishing I would have Full Mount skinned this big Billie but I made the call on the Mtn. seeing his face pretty banged and torn up from a fall,
    that it would be a Euro mount project for the Dermestid gang.

    Looking at the trimmed skull, you can see the broken cheekbone there, you can imagine the damage to the facial hide.

    Ten Hours in that little raft off the AK peninsula, blowin' NW 60, in November.... "the Power of Life and Death is in the Tongue," and Yes, God is Good !

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    Default Roosevelt Elk Just Wouldn't Fit ?!?

    Before you see more Mt Goat, I have to toss in the Bull Elk project we did "without Beetles."

    It was just too big for the colony enclosure, I couldn't figure out a way to "Fence them in" as they will scamper up anything like antlers with ease. Thought of trying to custom make a screen top for some kind of tub, but in the end, the thought of them escaping and tearing into anything leather around, well, "Nahhh, let's not risk it."

    So we just did the "Long Soak, Rot it Off" method. Or "Maceration," as those in the biz call it I guess. The idea is to leave it submerged in warm water for a few weeks, pulling it out, now and then, to help them pull off tough pcs. (Best Described as the NASTY part, to be done Outside on a windy day)

    We got a little Aquarium heater to plug into it for keeping the water warm.
    Found a basement bathroom not in use with a ventilating fan to work this all without freezing the water and keep the smell down.



    Later got a tip from a Forum member to add some yeast to facilitate the bacteria that weakens the meat off the bone. Worked pretty well.
    Somehow in the middle of this all I got different projects mixed up and started adding Joy Soap to the water as I was doing with the Bear skull to remove oil from the bone. So, essentially I was killing any bacteria and just warm soaking it. So that wasted a couple weeks I suppose.
    Sure got a nice warm bath for a long while, Didn't smell so bad during that space out period either.....

    Eventually, this is post peroxide soak, I'll do it different next time, using Hairdresser Peroxide for the sake of getting it up tightly around the base of the Antlers as you can see it's not quite as perfectly white up there



    Notice the soap ring on the Antlers, that's Joy soap, but
    "Make Sure and Do Not Let that happen with the Hydrogen Peroxide soak."
    It'll whiten the color right out of the Antlers.

    So we had to really custom set up a tub to do that Peroxide soak. The part I couldn't get submerged I used papertowels wrapped up around there as a wick, and it worked kinda well, pulling the peroxide up into the towel to keep on that Antler base, but, I'd suggest trying it another way. Paste type Peroxide or something.

    In the Peroxide, it took only two days to get the color out of the Skull Bone material, then a short dry out for a day and Epoxy Brush again.




    Now just to build a backing plate for it or I may just mount it on a strong lag Bolt into a stud on the wall. The skull did really want to dry out and start cracking also after the peroxide so I would recommend watch out for that, get your sealer on there as soon as it is dry.

    Back to the Mt. Goat,



    Here's an interesting teaser to keep you reading. Check out those Horn Bone bases....
    I have to download the final pics from a camera at home so will continue this a bit later
    It's an interesting process to preserve the Horn Material, which Beetles will Eat I hear.
    So you actually remove the horn and reattach later. Stay Tuned
    Ten Hours in that little raft off the AK peninsula, blowin' NW 60, in November.... "the Power of Life and Death is in the Tongue," and Yes, God is Good !

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    Skulls look great for first time go at it all, dont really like the sealer you use, too shiny for my tastes especially on the antlers. Teeth are going to come out and actually helps degrease the socket and beyond better as well. just put in a jar with soap and water until ready for peroxide so you dont accidentally dump down the drain. On bears and most other carnivores all 12 front teeth, the small teeth behind the canines(up to 3 per side on black bears) and the last molar on the bottom jaw will come out while soaking. Just use elmers to reglue in when all dry and white. Not a tricky puzzle at all. As for the bugs keep them in shop and just keep from feezing and keep enough food to keep them barely fed. Wont really reproduce a whole lot, just warm up higher in spring to get colony number up and increase food building them back up for that bear skull on the way .

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    Thanks Chris, for the tips,
    When in the process do you attempt to pull the teeth? Seems I could not really get them out for while, then delayed too long, at least on the fox (I lost a few in the Beetle Den, thought I'd just strain them out of the sawdust, no big deal, but I couldn't find a few of those tiny fox teeth.)
    So when approx are they loose enough to pull without risking them falling out?

    I agree the gloss finish is a bit much, looks ok on a few but I may do something different for that Bear Skull on the way (?)
    Up close the Elk rack does look pretty nice vs. the dry look, in my opinion tho
    What do you use?
    Seems I've heard of some kind of Elmers Glue/water mix to be brushed on ??

    Good idea on the Hibernation Rations for the winter, I may do that, maybe a Hot Dog every three weeks or month ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kodiakrain View Post
    Thanks Chris, for the tips,
    When in the process do you attempt to pull the teeth? Seems I could not really get them out for while, then delayed too long, at least on the fox (I lost a few in the Beetle Den, thought I'd just strain them out of the sawdust, no big deal, but I couldn't find a few of those tiny fox teeth.)
    You dont have to pull all the teeth, just the ones I described fall out during the soaking process any way. If they are loose when changing the water, hand pull them to prevent loss but aides degreasing as well. If you dis-articulate the jaw and place both halves teeth up you don't lose teeth in the bugs, thay cant turn skul over!!

    So when approx are they loose enough to pull without risking them falling out?

    After soaking for a week or two, also put them teeth up in degrease solution until most teeth fall out.

    I agree the gloss finish is a bit much, looks ok on a few but I may do something different for that Bear Skull on the way (?)

    There are many different options, elmers water 50/50 mix is popular. The problem with sealing skulls that are not truely 100% degreased is the grease spreads into the bone matrix and becomes more visible over time as big yellow spots and blotches and detracts from the desired look. Your bear jaw and back of skull for example will, with in a few months will turn a dingy yellow and then you will not be able to degrease some more because of the sealer you used. Elmers mix will come off with a hot water soak. Also oil based sealers are just that: OIL, and oil tends to yellow over time, look at older kitchen cabinets and wood flooring ect. Some paint skulls to cover up the grease but look like crap and the faint will eventually flake and look worse!

    Up close the Elk rack does look pretty nice vs. the dry look, in my opinion tho
    What do you use?

    Antlers look best natural, not shiny IMO. But I have heard of a real light coat of olive oil to give a nice light sheen to them, but i dont use it.
    Seems I've heard of some kind of Elmers Glue/water mix to be brushed on ??

    50/50 mix brushed on and can be removed later if necessary. I dont like it personally.

    Good idea on the Hibernation Rations for the winter, I may do that, maybe a Hot Dog every three weeks or month ?
    probably enough just have to watch and see what they eat.
    Hope all this helps.

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    Default Mt Goat Horns, slide right off !!

    Here's more, on the interesting fact that Horns, (vs. Antler material) need to be removed before introducing to the Beetle Colony, They'll chow into them I guess.

    Seems Daunting, until a Forum member, Hoytguy, answered my questions on this in this thread,

    http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/...tips?highlight=

    Here's his quote on that, worked really well, surprisingly easy to do
    "Mist the whole skull, horns with water, put in a ziplock bag and place a wet towel or damp paper towel in their.. then bag it again.. put in a warm place for 1-2 weeks.. Open bag down wind and twist on the horns.. They will pop right off.. If not, use a small screwdriver and detach the grissle right at the horn base holding them on.. (DO NOT BOIL).. once off, rinse the inside of the horns and wash with simple green or a dawn or other mild detergent. Let dry.. Pour BORAX... in the horns and let sit until your skull is cleaned, degreased and whitened. I drill a small pilot hole from the back just through the horn and into the core a 1/4" with the smallest bit you can find on the back side just above the base.. No one will see it, but it ensures when setting them back on they are not set to deep..twisted right/left, etc.. Fill in the tiny hole with a epoxie compound and paint... "

    and the results, actually pic is, "Post Beetle work" but you can see the Horn and the bone base that is inside there, and It Did need to be cleaned off or would have produced a smell in there for sure,



    Here is my set-up for soaking in Soapy solution, in an insulated cooler with aquarium heater to keep the water warm. I found the Mt Goat skull had far less oil than Bear, was "Degreased" pretty quickly, couple days maybe.
    Notice the Grease rising to the top of the water, I changed the water every other day or so til that no longer appeared (that scum layer on the edge of the soapy water surface)




    I found a potential problem that some may be able to help with here, as I was into the process with the Beetles on the skull, I found the Horns did some shrinking (?), they didn't slide right back on to the bone bases, so I had to cut the bases off shorter, grind them down a bit to get the horns back where they should be. Any Tips guys ?

    It worked well, though grinding bone was not fun, as in bone dust everywhere,... eventually I got them back on the skull in place and gloss coated it also for these before and after photos of the product.






    As I had imagined the broken cheek bone is interesting in A Euro Mount.
    Also found the shape of that Goat Skull quite different than those of Elk, Deer, etc. Real Interesting teeth, and jaw, etc.

    In hindsight, I would not have used Epoxy to seal the Horns, as dieNqvrs suggests above,

    with the Mt Goat Horns, So Black already, the Epoxy kind of fills in, and hides the "Battle Scars" that were on those original horns.

    I Epoxied because I was concerned about the drying and potential cracking that may occur,
    But then this thread is a learning experience, hope it helps others do their first ones better(?) tho I am happy with the end mount, Looks Cool to me


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    Soak the horn sheith base in boiling water for a couple on minutes. This will soften the horn and expand it slightly allowing it to slide back over the bony projection. If that works then dry inside with a towel and epoxy on. Buffalo and sheep are the same. There should have been the 2 bones that make up the top part of the mandible, (uppler lip area). What happened to those. If broken those would have been glued back easily. For a grease free skull continue the process for longer than a few days, you generally got all the surface grease but the deep stuff will show in due time. This is where the Hackadermist stops and a true professional will continue in the business sense. Al they look great and keep at it, it is all a learning experience. Every skull of mine I try new and different techniques. My recent deer I care fully sawed off the antlers and will degrease the skull as normal and then reattach antlers. I wanted to experiment with one reattaching antlers before I attempt one in velvet the same way. (my goal this fall, big velvet buck euro). I am going to experiment on staining my reindeer skull adifferent color as well. I just play like you are learning how to and I encourage other to do so as well.

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    Default Inspiration to the Reloading Scene,...

    A few more pics of the Mt. Goat final product





    and temporarily hanging above my Reloading bench, as "Inspiration to Persistence"

    Pretty impressed that this 6yr old, 10" Billie Goat, dropped like a rock to the impact of a handload round, crafted with a somewhat new powder, RL-17, for which there are few numbers available (you've got to discover your own, for your rifle) and a 160gr. Nosler partition, .270wsm,

    Tho, some would say not going to be enough power, it was enough, stunningly so,...
    Not supposed to happen that well,(?) but it did,

    so I'm thinking of hanging it over the Reloading Scene, Testament to the pursuit of diligence




    Stay Tuned even more, I promised Snowshoe Hare, for your interest,
    and it'll interest ya for sure
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    Not sure on the upperlips area bones, I kept looking at it in comparison to others and wondering "How did that turn out so rough ?"
    But I didn't recover that part of the front of the face somehow, was pretty beat up, may have been able to recover it if more careful in the field.
    Plan to do much better next time.

    Great tip on the prewarming and softening the Horn Bases, Thanks

    And on the soaking, I actually did soak it in soapy water for more than two weeks, with what Chris has mentioned, in mind, the deeper oils. It seemed the seeping scum stuff on top was over in just a couple days, but I soaked it hard and long, out of reaction to the Black Bear process. Hopefully it'll all be out of there.

    Man, Chris keep us tuned to what you plan to do for your Velvet Buck,
    I am also hoping to do the same, so am thinking it through now,
    I'd love to see some prehunt details you might have planned,

    Bringing something along on the hunt, to inject into the Velvet immediately (?),

    Time of year you are planning for the best Velvet product? I'm thinking an early August hunt, what do you think?

    I usually haul early season Deer right out of the woods for Predator issues, but hoing to get up high, maybe I'll do the full boning in the field, so I can be easy on the Velvet,
    The Full Velvet Blacktail Buck is surely a highly coveted display in my opinion. Really a cool thing.

    Chris have you seen the one out at Mill Bay coffee, I guess Joelle took that Buck this year. It's flawless velvet, from my view.
    Is that natural?
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    Default Snowshoe Dinner for Beetles, and for the Family, courtesy of my Oldest Boy

    Ok, the final entry of pics, for a while anyway,

    Kept telling about a Snowshoe Hare,...
    Well my 9yr old son took his first Rabbit on Christmas Eve,
    Hunting,..... well, spotting from the house out at Grampas place, right before dinner, at dusk,

    "Hey Dad, there's a Rabbit right there," and there it was lurking by the garden plot.
    So a little culling was in order, out came Grandpas .22 LR
    and it was Rabbit stew in the Crock Pot, the day after Christmas

    Pics are on Grandmas cam, but we did lay that once frozen skull into Beetle Country
    just a couple days later, here it is rinsed, ready for the Peroxide,




    You can see a couple Beetles got stuck up in the nasal cavity, in photo above,
    that was fun to pick out with the toothpick end of a Leatherman,

    Then it whitened up pretty nice, That thing is super fragile, so I epoxied it all pretty heavy, but get a look at those Choppers.

    A Garden Carrots' WORST NIGHTMARE.............. !!!!
    If Carrots could scream, this picture would fill the night air, with horror, around Kodiak



    and Next to the Bunny's Nemesis, the Red Fox, minus a few teeth



    Hope you all had fun following this whole deal, that's it til spring for us, I think anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by kodiakrain View Post


    Bringing something along on the hunt, to inject into the Velvet immediately (?),

    Time of year you are planning for the best Velvet product? I'm thinking an early August hunt, what do you think?

    I usually haul early season Deer right out of the woods for Predator issues, but hoing to get up high, maybe I'll do the full boning in the field, so I can be easy on the Velvet,
    The Full Velvet Blacktail Buck is surely a highly coveted display in my opinion. Really a cool thing.

    Chris have you seen the one out at Mill Bay coffee, I guess Joelle took that Buck this year. It's flawless velvet, from my view.
    Is that natural?
    You can have and use formalin, stop rot, denatured alcohol, or antler in velvet tan on hand on the boat next time to use to preserve the velvet. Second week of august is my window I am shooting for. Late enough for full antler development but still haven't rubbed yet. Pre drill and then cut off antlers. Poke tips and allow blood out of points and shoot product into base of antler and continue several times a day until no more blood. Then let dry. Cut antlers can also be put into freezer to freeze dry and work well also. The freeze method is what I will use if I have a choice,otherwise travel with one of the other products.

    I went and looked at Joelle's buck at mill bay coffee. I think Eric the local scam hackidermist did that for her. The antlers were cut off and preserved like it should have been, and look good(natural velvet). The skull however, was then boiled to death and all the nasal bones were reamed out,skull looks like total crap. With what you now know you could have done the skull better than he has. Reattach with metal rod pre drilled into antler before you cut off antler.

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    Drill two holes so you don't have to worry about the rotation of the antler.

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    Default A New Home has been found,for the Meat-Eaters

    Just an update, to avoid the phone, "Ringing off the Hook" (not really)
    more like waiting, waiting,...... Why isn't the phone ringing for a free Flesh Eating Beetle Colony ??

    What with Valentines Day approaching and all,...........

    But, Just Today, had a Forum member pick up his Thriving, bucket of Bugs, plannin' to launch them on a Brown Bear skull.

    So, the offer of Free Healthy Beetles is no longer available,
    Awwww you had your chance to really "Make Your Wife Happy,....."
    Ten Hours in that little raft off the AK peninsula, blowin' NW 60, in November.... "the Power of Life and Death is in the Tongue," and Yes, God is Good !

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